On 09/16/01 at 13:59, Max Garfield wrote:
> Global Homes Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dixit:
>
> > ORBS has been known to blacklist hosts solely on the basis of their
> > relay tests being blocked. That's one reason why I've always
> > declined to use the ORBS list. Their reasoning seems to be that if
> > you're not a spammer you should be only too happy to let them
> > 'clear' you of being an open relay, so you shouldn't be blocking
> > their tests, so if you _are_ blocking their tests, you're probably a
> > spammer and you should be blacklisted just to be safe. Paranoia
> > strikes deep, no? Anyway, the fine folks at ORBS may consider the
> > port 25 block at your firewall to be sufficient reason to blacklist
> > your server.
>
> To block the port 25 at the firewall level is my ISP policy, so I
> have no control at all about this. But if this fact is used as a
> reason by the ORBS folks to blacklist a server, they are really
> mistaken IMO, since a small listserver doesn't need to be run
> 24/7, and the SMTP service can be perfectly closed when it's not
> needed (incoming mail can be retrieved via a remote POP account,
> or through a secondary SMTP server).
I never said that ORBS' 'reasoning' was actually rational. Only that it seems
to be the way they operate. In fact, I find it to be as suspect as you do,
which is why I don't use ORBS.
> > It's possible that someone on one of your mailing lists (perhaps someone
> > who didn't know or had forgotten that they were subscribed to the list?)
> > thought that a list message was spam and reported your server to ORBS.
>
> Yeah, it's possible, but not very likely. All messages on all
> my mailing lists have a footer with a line indicating how one can
> unsubscribe, and subscriptions are always double checked to
> prevent malicious attempts or misspelled addresses.
Well, that was just speculation. IIRC, I think that ORBS has also been known
to perform relay tests randomly in the past, so another possibility is that
they hit your list server's IP by chance and blacklisted it when they found
port 25 blocked. Speculation again, but the fact is that they latched onto
your list server's IP address somehow.
> So thank you very much for your reply but again, how can I get my
> server out of ORBS? I have no idea about the procedure to follow,
> and their website seems to be empty.
If the ORBS web site is down, then I have no idea how to get off their list.
Perhaps some other list member might have an e-mail address or other contact
info for them?
Christopher Bort | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmaster, Global Homes | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<http://www.globalhomes.com/> | PGP public key available on request
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