At 6:30 AM -0500 3/22/02, Paul List Hess imposed structure on a stream of electrons, yielding: >At 12:05 AM -0500 3/22/02, Bill Cole wrote: >>[...]people who want to pay for it. The SBL is run quite >>responsibly and sticks pretty much to the hardcore spammers and >>very rarely their providers. Spamcop might develop into a useful BL >>someday, but it's way too rough and unrefined today. The Visi relay >>list (no URL handy... ) is a good alternative to ORBZ/ORDB for >>people with ethical concerns about the aggressive testers. > >Spamcop and even ORBZ/ORDB already *are* useful BL's already, not >someday.
Unfortunately they are maintained in a criminal-by-design fashion. They survive because enforcement of the laws governing unauthorized access is pitifully weak. that's why it took crashing a government-owned server for a police investigation of ORBZ to start, and why the BC authorities dropped the issue after finding out that their attacker was a precocious kid in NY with good motives. What Ian Gulliver is doing with ORBZ was always criminal under federal law, but as long as you don't steal stuff or crash things you can avoid being prosecuted for such criminal behavior. I can't ethically recommend that anyone use anti-spam systems based on unprovoked relay testing. No matter how useful they are. -- Bill Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Send administrative queries to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
