Hi Richard, Without getting too technical on you...how do you propose implementing these ideas of yours ? Candice> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:28:42 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Bright Green Tomorrow [WAS Re: [singularity] QUESTION]> > candice schuster wrote:> > Richard,> > > > Thank you for your response. I have read your other posts and > > understand what 'the story' is so to speak. I understand where you are > > coming from and when I talk about evolution therioes this is not to > > throw a 'stick in the wheel' so to speak, it is to think with a > > universal mind. From my view point I want to know what the ultimate > > goal is...I understand quite clearly that if you 'give a dog a bone' > > with regards to AGI's that is all it will have however I battle to > > understand the point. > > > > You say...advanced technology...in what sense..is this AGI going to help > > me think quicker ? Is this AGI going to reap massive benefits for my > > company ? Is this AGI going to be my best friend ? Is this AGI purely > > going to be a soldier ? Is this AGI going to help me understand logic ? > > > > Do you see where I am going with this ? I understand technology and I > > understand moving at a fast past, what I do not understand is the > > benefit ? Perhaps you and AI live in the Science Fiction world and it's > > not the other way round ?? > > > > Candice> > At last an easy and fun question :-)> > I want to introduce a term that I have started to use myself to describe > the type of AI that can be trusted: a "Safe And Friendly AI" or "SAFAI".> > If someone built a SAFAI tomorrow the following would happen.> > First it would recursively self-improve its own design. For the sake of > argument, we will suppose that they could get to the point where they > were thinking at a thousand times human speed (no need to assume better > intelligence: faster is good enough).> > In the year following that point, we would be deluged by all of the > technology that would have been discovered in the next thousand years.> > A quick summary of what that *could* entail.> > Nanotechnology of the Drexlerian sort. That means invisible systems > that are completely safe (no damaging side effects whatsoever) which > could do many things. Most of the impact of a singularity would, in > fact, be a result of nanotechnology of this sort.> > Some of the changes would involve systems that would:> > - Go inside your cells (if you wished) and repair all damage, modify > the systems responsible for ageing, and (again, if you require) modify > the structure of your body to revert you to some younger age. This would > make you effectively immortal, barring accidents.> > - Create systems for gathering energy from renewable sources, and from > sources off-planet, thus eliminating the need to damage the planet for > the sake of energy.> > - Ditto for raw materials.> > - Produce food in ways that did not require the use of surface land.> > - Remove all the unnecessary buildings on the surface, compacting > cities to a very small, but very tall footprint.> > - Remove all the garbage that has been deposited on the planet by humans.> > - Generally return the ecology of the planet to a natural, wild state.> > - Build space elevators to allow a steady traffic between the Earth > and the rest of the universe.> > - Supply every individual on the planet with protection from whatever > they wanted to be protected from. No weapons would be available to > those who wanted to violate the private protections of any individual.> > - Protect the historical, cultural heritage of the world.> > - Allow any person to pursue whateover lifestyle they wanted, without > having to work to earn the things they wanted. there would be limits, > but these would be detemined by energy footprint. So long as you don't > want to use gigawatts of energy, probably no questions would be asked. > Personal spacecraft for interplanetary travel would probably be okay, > but interstellar craft would require a little more consideration.> > - Allow people to create "domains" within which they and other > like-minded people could set up ways of life that would follow a certain > pattern: e.g. recreations of particular historical epochs and places, > like Classical Athens, or fantasy places, like a Harry Potter world.> > - Give people the ability to move their minds from one location to > another. For example, to inhabit the sensorium of an animal of some > kind for a while. Or they could go inside a completely artificial world > (Gibsonian cyberspace, for example). Or they could become miniaturized.> > - Provide a facility for letting people put some of their memories in > storage for a while. So for example, if you were bored with life, you > could enter one of the above mentioned "domains" that was specifically > designed only for people who had checked their memories at the door and > did not know, for the period they were inside, that the domain was not > real. So you could go into a Harry Potter world and actually be > convinced that this was "reality" for the time you were there.> > *****> > This is an off-the-cuff list of what could be done. More or less > straightforward to within the first few years, probably.> > Other things would take longer to build because they would generate heat > that would have to be collected and dissipated, but one of the most > significant of these would be the creation of an underground zone, > replacing perhaps the first ten miles of the Earth's crust, which would > consist of one gigantic playground. In this playground there would be > room for each person now alive to have about 10,000 acres of open space > (with a ceiling about 100 feet high), together with roughly 10,000 > "rooms" varying in size from a stadium to closet. Within each person's > private space they could create any environment they chose, with > materials on the walls and ceiling of the 10,000 acre estate to make it > seem like the area was outside on the surface of the planet.> > The underground playground would be where most of the domains would be > located: there would be room enough down there for people to pool their > resources and do things like make a complete recreation of Classical > Athens and all of its environs, for example, supporting a population as > large as the original.> > Most importantly, it would be possible for people to build ANY way of > life that they chose. If someone felt that it was important for humans > to be humans in the raw, they could set up domains in which life and > death were exactly as they are now (for example with real, unconstrained > violence within that reconstruction of Classical Athens), but perhaps > with the arrangement that if someone "died" within a domain they would > simply be removed and returned to the outside, remembering the way they > were before they went in.> > Finally, it has to be emphasized that ALL of this could be done in such > a way that anyone who really did not want to take part -- who wanted to > live the kind of life we live now, with all its flaws, and with the same > risk of death, etc. that we have now -- could choose to not participate. > Nobody would be forced to do anything, they would be given complete > choice. The only thing people would not be able to do would be to force > their will upon others.> > There are clearly borderline issues that would cause endless debate, but > those issues should not distract us from the larger picture.> > *******> > So Candice, you ask:> > > ... in what sense is this AGI going to help me think quicker?> > It would let you think quicker or slower, or not make any changes: your > choice how you want to change the way your mind works.> > > Is this AGI going to reap massive benefits for my company ?> > "Companies" would, as you can see, be of no relevance.> > > Is this AGI going to be my best friend ?> > If you want it to be. Or it could stay as invisible as trees are to you > today (invisible as a friend, that is).> > > Is this AGI purely going to be a soldier ?> > No.> > > Is this AGI going to help me understand logic ?> > It could help you understand anything, if you asked.> > > To tell the truth, I think the consequence might be more than you were > expecting them to be.> > This is my vision of what a "Bright Green Tomorrow" could be like.> > Let me know if you have questions.> > > > Richard Loosemore.> > -----> This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email> To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to:> http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk
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