Thanks! I considered another title before such as 'Apotheotron' but a friend found that too hostile and unfriendly so I changed it to Jame5 with is an acronym for Joint Artificial Mind Experiment Five. Looking forward to hearing from you. Stefan
On 10/26/07, candice schuster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Stefan, > > I plan to read your 112+- paged book 'Jame5' this weekend....while sitting > in taxis / on planes etc to Ireland. PS : I really like the graphics on the > cover, interesting that the 'fire ball' is the one that is about to hit the > rest of the balls ! PPS : Why the name JAME5 ? > > Candice > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:13:17 +0800 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [singularity] 14 objections against AI/Friendly AI/The > Singularity answered > > Great write up. My special interest is AI friendliness so I would like to > comment on 11. > > CEV is a concept that avoids answering the question of what friendliness > is by letting an advanced AI figure out what good might be. Doing so makes > endowing an AI implementation with friendliness not feasible. CEV is > circular. See the following core sentence for example: > > "...if we knew more, thought faster, were more the people we wished we > were, had grown up farther together; where the extrapolation converges > rather than diverges, where our wishes cohere rather than interfere; > extrapolated as we wish that extrapolated, interpreted as we wish that > interpreted..." > > Simplified: "If we were better people we were better people." True - but > not adding value as key concepts such as 'friendliness', 'good', 'better' > and 'benevolence' remain undefined. > > In my recent book (see www.Jame5.com <http://www.jame5.com/>) I take the > definition of friendliness further by grounding key terms such as 'good' and > 'friendly'. > > If you rather not read my complete 45'000 word book I suggest focusing on > the end of chapter 9 until 12. Those sum up the key concepts. Further I will > post a 7 page paper (hopefully today) that further condenses the core ideas > of what benevolence means and how hard goals for a friendly AI can be > derived from those ideas. > > Kind regards, > > Stefan > > On 10/26/07, *Kaj Sotala* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can be found at > http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tspro1/objections.html<http://www.saunalahti.fi/%7Etspro1/objections.html>. > > Answers the following objections: > > 1: There are limits to everything. You can't get infinite growth > 2: Extrapolation of graphs doesn't prove anything. It doesn't show > that we'll have AI in the future. > 3: A superintelligence could rewrite itself to remove human tampering. > Therefore we cannot build Friendly AI. > 4: What reason would a super-intelligent AI have to care about us? > 5: The idea of a hostile AI is anthropomorphic. > 6: Intelligence is not linear. > 7: There is no such thing as a human-equivalent AI. > 8: Intelligence isn't everything. An AI still wouldn't have the > resources of humanity. > 9: It's too early to start thinking about Friendly AI > 10: Development towards AI will be gradual. Methods will pop up to deal > with it. > 11: "Friendliness" is too vaguely defined. > 12: What if the AI misinterprets its goals? > 13: Couldn't AIs be built as pure advisors, so they wouldn't do > anything themselves? That way, we wouldn't need to worry about > Friendly AI. > 14: Machines will never be placed in positions of power. > > Constructive criticism welcome, as always. > > > -- > http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tspro1/ <http://www.saunalahti.fi/%7Etspro1/> | > http://xuenay.livejournal.com/ > > > Organizations worth your time: > http://www.singinst.org/ | http://www.crnano.org/ | http://lifeboat.com/ > > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > > > -- > Stefan Pernar > 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden > #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi > Chao Yang District > 100015 Beijing > P.R. CHINA > Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 > Skype: Stefan.Pernar > ------------------------------ > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > ------------------------------ > Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend now! > <http://specials.uk.msn.com/brainbattle> > ------------------------------ > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > -- Stefan Pernar 3-E-101 Silver Maple Garden #6 Cai Hong Road, Da Shan Zi Chao Yang District 100015 Beijing P.R. CHINA Mobil: +86 1391 009 1931 Skype: Stefan.Pernar ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=4007604&id_secret=57774985-d99adb
