> From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> You won't see a singularity.  As I explain in
> http://www.mattmahoney.net/singularity.html an intelligent agent (you)
> is not capable of recognizing agents of significantly greater
> intelligence.  We don't know whether a singularity has already occurred
> and the world we observe is the result.  It is consistent with the
> possibility, e.g. it is finite, Turing computable, and obeys Occam's
> Razor (AIXI).
> 

You should be able to see it coming. That's how people like Kurzweil make
their estimations based on technological rates of change. When it gets
really close though then you can only imagine how it will unfold. 

If a singularity has already occurred how do you know how many there have
been? Has somebody worked out the math on this? And if this universe is a
simulation is that simulation running within another simulation? Is there a
simulation forefront or is it just one simulation within another ad
infinitum? Simulation raises too many questions. Seems like simulation and
singularity would be easier to keep separate, except for uploading. But then
the whole concept of uploading is just ...too.. confusing... unless our
minds are complex systems like Richard Loosemore proposes and uploading
would only be a sort of echo of the original.

John

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