What I could think with respect to whether SDP is received in provisional
response or not is to check in your application for RTP stream.

I believe in having a check in application to check whether any RTP stream
is still there or not after receiving 181 or 182 with SDP. You can't ensure
that remote gateway would always connect and play media if SDP answer is
sent in provisional response. If no RTP is coming even after SDP answer,
then some sort of tone viz routing tone can be played locally else RTP
receiving from remote end should be honored. However, routing tone needs to
be played locally only if provisional response is not having SDP answer.

Best Regards,
Vivek Batra

-----Original Message-----
From: Sunita Bhagwat [mailto:sunita_bhag...@infosys.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:53 PM
To: Vivek Batra; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: RE: [Sip-implementors] Ringback on SIP 181 Call forward / 182
Queued

Thanks Vivek. You are right, the choice of actual tone could be either
configurable or 
something other than RBT. 
But the other aspect of the problem is to be prepared to play early media
inband (if a 
prior 183 or current 181 contain SDP) by cutting through media or playing a
specific
tone - something similar to the scenario RFC3960? I wonder if
implementations really 
set up the media path immediately after sending out the INVITE (say, with
OFFER) and
without receiving an ANSWER, as required by 3960. Am I missing something
here?

Regards,
Sunita


-----Original Message-----
From: Vivek Batra [mailto:vivek.ba...@matrixtelesol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:12 PM
To: Sunita Bhagwat; sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: RE: [Sip-implementors] Ringback on SIP 181 Call forward / 182
Queued

Playing RBT on receipt of 181 (Call is being forwarded) or 182 (Call Queued)
does not seems a good choice since 181/182 does not give any indication
whether call has been placed to called party and called party is ringing. I
would prefer playing Routing Tone or some sort of local announcement. RBT
should be played only when called device is ringing.
I believe that gateway should get 180 Ringing (after 181 Call is being
forwarded) when called mobile phone starts ringing and RINGING message is
received from GSM network. Once this occurs, then only RBT should be played.

Best Regards,
Vivek Batra

-----Original Message-----
From: sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu
[mailto:sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Sunita
Bhagwat
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 4:49 PM
To: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Cc: Sunita Bhagwat
Subject: [Sip-implementors] Ringback on SIP 181 Call forward / 182 Queued

Hi all,
I'd like to know if a SIP gateway receiving a 181 (Call is being forwarded)
or a 182 (call Queued) from SIP peer should play local ringback towards the
originating endpoint (say PSTN/ISDN). RFC 3960 mentions early media and
ring-back only when a 180 Ringing is received. However I'm seeing a customer
scenario involving a Microsoft OCS network forwarding calls to cell phones
and sending a 181 to the gateway - expecting the originating gateway to play
a ringing tone to calling party.
I think it makes sense to play ringing tone and be prepared to play inband
media if received, but such a scenario does not seem to be covered in rfc
3960.
Appreciate your inputs.

Thanks,
Sunita
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