Hi !
I'm in IMS operations and sometimes I get stuck in the crossfire between
different vendors !
The two SDP's are identical except the version-number, I have checked.
For the moment it seems that most of our nodes are accepting that version is
incremented without session has changed in any other way, but
we have a vendor that are claiming that it's a violation of RFC 4028 - Session
Timer and also claims that that violation is causing problems, so far
a bit unclear why and what, could be some kind of misunderstanding, but I have
also colleagues that are arguing that RFC 4028 is only valid for UA
with support for timer.
I think your view on the matter makes very good sense !
Thanks !
BR/pj
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<sip-implementors-boun...@lists.cs.columbia.edu> On Behalf Of Paul Kyzivat
Sent: den 22 januari 2020 16:25
To: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] SDP version
Sorry, but I'm too lazy to compare those two messages byte by byte to see if
they are identical other than the version number.
I don't understand the point of your question. Are you looking for an excuse to
increment the version number without checking if the SDP has changed?
There is a fine line here between what is required behavior, what is good
practice, what is considerate, ...
It really is a savings for the recipient of the SDP if he can avoid parsing it.
And generally it should be easier for the sender to "know"
that the SDP is unchanged and so indicate that when sending it. It is a bit
harder for the recipient to determine that. OTOH, as an implementor I'm not
very trusting and so am inclined to not trust that it is unchanged without
checking. Even so there are ways to take advantage of that indication without
trusting it. (If the version # is the same as prior then do a string comparison
of the two SDPs to verify. If the version #s are different, then simply start
parsing the SDP without bothering with the comparison.)
And we shouldn't second guess what optimizations a peer may or may not want to
do.
I guess the worst case is a situation where you would normally generate the SDP
from scratch for every message and so not have an easy way to tell if it has
changed. Then it becomes a question of whether you do the extra work to
determine changed or not, or force extra work on the recipient. I think you
should do it.
The session timer connection is, IMO, a red herring. That draft is poorly
written, in that it seems to imply that an invite for session timer is mutually
exclusive with one for offer/answer. The two processes share messages and can
coexist or not.
Thanks,
Paul
On 1/22/20 6:50 AM, Sundbaum Per-Johan (Telenor Sverige AB) wrote:
> Sorry for the no good picture !
>
> SDP in 200OK for initial INVITE from PBX SDP PDU
> v=0
> o=- 195986 1 IN IP4 10.81.253.92
> s=RFC3264OfferAnswerExchange
> c=IN IP4 10.81.253.92
> b=CT:10000000
> t=0 0
> m=audio 23812 RTP/AVP 8 110
> c=IN IP4 10.81.253.92
> a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000
> a=rtpmap:110 telephone-event/8000
> a=fmtp:110 0-15
> a=sendrecv
> a=ptime:20
>
>
> SDP in re-INVITE from PBX
> SDP PDU
> v=0
> o=- 195986 2 IN IP4 10.81.253.92
> s=RFC3264OfferAnswerExchange
> c=IN IP4 10.81.253.92
> b=CT:10000000
> t=0 0
> m=audio 23812 RTP/AVP 8 110
> c=IN IP4 10.81.253.92
> a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000
> a=rtpmap:110 telephone-event/8000
> a=fmtp:110 0-15
> a=sendrecv
> a=ptime:20
>
> BR/pj
>
> From: Rohit Jain <jainrohit...@gmail.com>
> Sent: den 22 januari 2020 12:36
> To: Sundbaum Per-Johan (Telenor Sverige AB)
> <per-johan.sundb...@telenor.se>
> Cc: sip-implementors@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sip-implementors] SDP version
>
> Hi,
>
> SIP entities (client/server) checks SDP version to determine whether there is
> any change in SDP from previously received SDP. If the version is changed
> then they go on to parse the entire SDP to determine the change.
> Based on that SIP entity can initiate media processing(more relevant in case
> of servers) or just relay the message without any media level processing. If
> just the version number is incremented but there is no actual change in SDP,
> then it will trigger unnecessary processing on the receiver, so it should be
> avoided.
>
> Also can you specify what could be the requirement ("but is that true also
> for UA without support for timer") in which it is required to increment the
> SDP version number without any actual change in SDP.
> PS: Not able to get the attached picture.
>
> Regards,
> Rohit J
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:31 PM Sundbaum Per-Johan (Telenor Sverige AB)
> <per-johan.sundb...@telenor.se<mailto:per-johan.sundb...@telenor.se>> wrote:
> Hi !
> What do you think about incrementing the version in SDP o-line, but
> not changing anything else in SDP, should such a behavior be accepted or
> should it be rejected ?
>
> RFC 4028 states that such behavior at least should be avoided, but is that
> true also for UA without support for timer ?
>
> " RFC 4028 - Session Timer
> In that case, the offer MUST indicate
> that it has not changed. In the case of SDP, this is accomplished by
> including the same value for the origin field as did previous SDP
> messages to its peer. The same is true for an answer exchanged as a
> result of a session refresh request; if it has not changed, that MUST
> be indicated. "
>
> An example from reality in picture below, should it be accepted ?
> I think it should be accepted.
>
> [cid:image001.png@01D5D11B.59A78290]
>
> BR/pj
>
>
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