> Do people seriously believe that any amount of protestation 
> from the IETF is going to prevent implementors from 
> downgrading? If the receiver(s) really don't want the SIP 
> method, they don't have to accept them. If they do, then no 
> amount of hand wringing MUST NOT's is going to prevent the inevitable.
> 
> The only thing this kind of hand wringing is likely to 
> produce is more incompatibility between the puritans and the sinners.

Doesn't this argue agaist your own previous email?

The 480 approach doesn't allow for automatic retry, because you
can't figure out from the error code that it might actually work 
by downgrading.

I'm am quite lost at understanding what concrete outcome you want
to see.


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