On Oct 18, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote:


And I'm still stuck on your last question, which is what
application use-case really needs directionality, other than as a
nit?

Yeah, me too. Or to rephrase, what application needs "I want to
send . . ." rather than "I understand . . ."

DTMF? I noticed this problem with RFC2833 negotiation a couple of years
ago.  A device wanted to indicate willingness to send RFC2833, but
wasn't able to render received indications.  Since SDP describes what
the device can receive, the 'solution' was to fib.

Yeah, that was my first response to Dean's question (that DTMF has such a use-case), but "fibbing" about it isn't really harmful. You may get extraneous INFO, which you just don't render. (just like for 2833) The question is if the extra complexity of directionality is worth it or not, and is it necessary to provide in the general negotiation vs. in individual event packages. In other words, if some event package got defined which really needed directionality, it could handle that itself with two event names. But if it would be a common problem it's better for the general solution to handle it, IMO.

I think my point has been missed. Why did the device need to indicate willingness to send 2833 tones? It can't send them unless the other side has indicated willingness to accept them. And, as pointed out, it doesn't have to be able to receive them to be able to send them.

--
Dean




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