At Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:37:45 -0500,
Dean Willis wrote:
> 
> Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > At Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:51:28 -0500,
> > Dean Willis wrote:
> >> Eric Rescorla wrote:
> >>
> >>> Unfortunately, this is the same conflation of concerns that has
> >>> characterized discussion of these drafts from the beginning. Quoting
> >>> my review of -01 from 2007/11:
> >>>
> >>>   This draft seems to do two distinct things:
> >>>   
> >>>   - One specify a variant of RFC 4474 which signs a lot fewer headers.
> >>>     [This should have said less of the message -- EKR]
> >>>   - Specify a set of mechanisms to cryptographically prove that a given 
> >>> media
> >>>     stream corresponds to a given SDP offer/answer.
> >>>
> >>> These issues are wholly orthogonal and it just confuses the discussion
> >>> to try to discuss them together. 
> >> They may be wholly orthogonal from one point of view, but I don't think
> >> they can be deployed independently. You have to have BOTH measures in
> >> place to gain the benefit of the proposal.
> > 
> > I don't see how that's the case. Can you explain?
> 
> Signing LESS than what RFC 4474 signs opens up a whole can of worms
> UNLESS the media-path key exchange is also used to prove that the
> signaling and media correspond.

Hmm... In the absence of media layer encryption, I think it's a
mistake to assume that the signalling and media correspond 
even with 4474.

-Ekr
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