It seems for you, that it would be prudent to document the issues with the
Aastra phone, determine if they are SIP standards issues, or issues in the
template of sipXecs, and develop a corrected template for them, and work
with Aastra to fix their deficiences.  You can find cost effective firms out
there to develop software for this open source project.   Fixing the issues
that are keeping you from deploying to your customer, will not only fix that
for you and create sales for your firm, but benefit the community as a whole

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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Niek Vlessert
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 11:38 PM
To: sipXecs developer discussions
Subject: Re: [sipx-dev] Aastra Call Pickup

Because one of our big partners has a lot of Ericsson setups, and you might
know that Ericsson == Aastra these days, so the Aastra phones are compatible
with Ericsson. If these phones work fine we can get SipX in those companies.

And because the hardware itself is pretty good and good looking, and not too
expensive.

And because it works just fine on Asterisk... ;)

Regards,

Niek

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:42 AM, Michael Picher <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why the desire to use these phones so much from an unhelpful vendor?
>
> On Sep 16, 2011 3:30 PM, "Niek Vlessert" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hello Tony,
>>
>> I couldn't agree more with your statement, but that doesn't get Call 
>> Pickup fixed on Aastra phones. And because Aastra is not doing 
>> anything, and we need this feature badly I'm asking for trickery. 2 
>> options: remain stubborn and require full SIP compliancy or use 
>> tricks. I guess Aastra won't listen and not supporting this feature 
>> will not increase acceptance for SipX.
>>
>> We are fixing the BLF in a bad way for Aastra, but in the most 
>> elegant way this bad hack can be done. :) It's like problems with the 
>> Linux kernel in the past; you can fix hardware problems through 
>> drivers or tell the company to fix their hardware. Sometimes it's 
>> good to choose the first option. This BLF ticket is from 2008, and
nothing happened.
>>
>> I agree with the Freeswitch thing. Most of the time we try to not 
>> involve Freeswitch, but it has more flexability because of all the 
>> applications and no recompiling when changes are made. If we can get 
>> grip on the call in SIP without using Freeswitch it's less ugly, but we
have no idea how.
>>
>> When using Asterisk we could just listen on the AMI and then bridge 
>> the call to the phone doing call pickup without doing any RTP. Where 
>> do we inject like this in SipX?
>>
>> If you have some trick up you sleeve PLEASE tell me. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Niek Vlessert
>> Telecats
>>
>>
>> Op 16 sep. 2011, om 21:13 heeft Tony Graziano het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Internal calls (where call pickup comes into play) is handled by the 
>>> proxy. It's always beena goal of the project to intentionally not 
>>> use a b2bua for every phone connection in order to achieve peer to 
>>> peer media and scalability.
>>>
>>> I would really not put FS in that role, it's intention is a media
server.
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Niek Vlessert 
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> Some of you might know that Call Pickup and BLF with Aastra phones 
>>>> don't work on SipX because the Aastra firmware is not compatible.
>>>> We already fixed the BLF issue
>>>>
>>>> (http://track.sipfoundry.org/browse/XTRN-113?focusedCommentId=55875
>>>> #action_55875)
>>>> but now we need Call Pickup.
>>>> The problem is that the phone won't respond well to the call pickup 
>>>> SIP stuff. Is there a way to get control over the call in another way?
>>>> Something like this; instead of dialing *78<extension> (which is 
>>>> call
>>>> pickup) we dial *79<extension>. In Sipx, add a gateway to local 
>>>> port 15060, which is freeswitch, and a route to get the 
>>>> *79<extension> in Freeswitch.
>>>> Freeswitch can execute any script. Is there a way to get to the SIP 
>>>> header and bridge the call to the phone which did the *79? I know, 
>>>> not beautiful at all, but it's a way. Some other direction we are 
>>>> thinking is that Freeswitch registers itself as a phone on the same 
>>>> extension as the Aastra phone, the dual forking feature in SipX. So 
>>>> if the number is dialed, the Freeswitch phone will also 'ring'.
>>>> Maybe we can then bridge that call to the user who did the 
>>>> *79<extension>?
>>>> But it we do that, then every Aastra phone needs a seperate SIP 
>>>> account in Freeswitch. Freeswitch can handle that, but that's even 
>>>> less beautiful, I'd say very ugly. ;) Anyone got a trick?
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Niek Vlessert
>>>> Telecats
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