Re: [Skim-app-users] Line Styles

[bdth2]

On May 19, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
On May 19, 2010, at 20:00, bd...@web.de wrote:

On May 19, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote:

On May 19, 2010, at 17:27, Bill Mohler wrote:

The lines tool is a generic MacOS interface.  Don't assume that  
every
application will employ every available function portrayed in the
lines
window.  It's not Christiaan's responsibility to account for  
all the
buttons in the window that the OS gives him.

Actually, this is not true, it's not a standard interface, though
I've tried to make it function similar to actual standard  
interfaces
(such as the Colors and Fonts panels and controls.) However it is
true that we are not responsible for which are the valid values  
for
the line styles (Adobe is) and we are also not responsible for how
notes are drawn based on these values (Apple is.) As it is, Apple
just draws these 3 valid line styles as if it were "Solid line
style". You can file a bug report with Apple if you like. All we  
can
do is gray out these options to indicate that they're not active
(yet, they may be in a future OS release.)

Christiaan


Thanks. No one will blame Skim for something which the OS or other
circumstances restrict. If it's known to the user. If not: How  
could
anybody know it's an outside issue? Skim is great. Greying out that
buttons (and a note to the manual why they are not functioning)  
would
make this clear. All the best,

--J0hn

It IS grayed out, that's the point.

Not for me. I can select them, they change their color to blue.

<Picture 1.png>

--J0hn

The IMAGES are grayed.


<<inline: Picture 1.png>>



On Picture 1 (enclosed), you can see the Lines tool window. In the row  
called "Line Style:" there are 5 buttons. Or, as you may call them, 5  
pictures.

From the first button on the left, the "Solid line style" button  
(tooltip), over to the "Underline line style" button, the 5th button  
on the right, ALL buttons are selectable. When selected, they change  
their color to blue. By this, they give the user a feedback: There's a  
function you just have selected, dear user.

See the enclosed picture (Picture 1): The fourth button from the left  
is selected, and blue. No button is "greyed" out and none of the 5  
buttons is without visible feedback when pushed.

But despite this visible, blue feedback, these buttons are giving  
("There's a function you just have selected, dear user"), buttons 3,  
4, and 5 obviously do not have any function in Skim.

Now, if you call the 3rd and the 4th button from the left "grayed"  
out, because the upper left and the lower right on these buttons is  
showing a grey angle -- how would button 3 and 4 look like, if these  
corners would not be "greyed" out???
They would exactly look like the first button on the left (the "Solid  
line style" button), and therefore, three buttons out of five in this  
row could not be differentiated from each other.

The grey part of button 3 and 4 is just the way "beveled" and "inset"  
frames look like, as symbols. Don't you think so?

So, whatever filter or shaddow you may have applied on them and  
stubbornly insist we have to see, it's meaningless: these buttons DO  
RESPOND VISUALLY DESPITE THEIR LACK OF FUNCTIONALITY. You can call  
them "greyed", you can give them personal names, caress and feed them,  
or do whatever you want, you are the developer…

But as long as you don't deactivate broken buttons, willfully  
insisting on what they have to be regarded as instead of fixing this  
at least in the manual, you are simply wasting users' time.

--J0hn


Christiaan

Christiaan

bd...@web.de wrote:
Does anybody know how / in which modes these Line Styles work?

"Beveled line style",
"Inset line style",
"Underline line style"

Haven't found anything in the manual.

Changing the "Underline Line Style" does not change any  
underline,
"Beveled" and "Inset" do not change any selected notes frame or
line,
etcetera…

-- J0hn
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