Adam:

Thanks for responding.

> Why not use the revert command through AppleScript or osascript to
> reload the file? That is safer and more efficient than having Skim
> watch it for changes.  I suspect it's also possible to get/set the
> rotation in that same script, but Christiaan would know for sure.

I don't know how to do that but could look into it.  Basically I want
an PDF viewer that knows that the file has changed and refreshes on
the same page.  Skim (almost) does that.

> > Moreover, this is NOT a bug. It's the way the program behaves. For
> > good reasons. It also does exactly what you ask it to do: reload
> > the data from disk (page rotation is part of the PDF data).

The page rotation I am talking about is not part of the PDF data. 
I've said this repeatedly.  It is rotation of the entire document from
the button on the toolbar.

Whatever you call it, it is not expected behavior.  I expect that Skim
will just refresh page 5 in the orientation I have set it to BY HAND. 
But instead it forgets that I rotated the page BY HAND.  It does keep
track of the page to display so it seems obvious that it can keep
track of the overall document rotation that I have set BY HAND, just
as I set the page to view BY HAND.

I'd be happy to be correcdted on this but saying that's the way it is
is not an explanation of the logic (or lack of) in the current
implementation..

Let me try again.  There are three kinds of rotations (at least).  One
is implemented in the original PostScript.  Individual pages can be
rotated.  That's not what I'm talking about.  Secondly there is an
automatic page rotation that viewers can implement.  I have blocked
that when converting to PDF, that's not what I'm talking about. 
Third, there are tools that one can put in the toolbar to rotate the
ENTIRE PDF for viewing.  This does not alter the underlying PDF in any
way, just how it is viewed.  Therefore it is one parameter with four
values that can be stored inside Skim along with the page number that
we are currently viewing.  This is the rotation I mean.  When the PDF
shows up, I rotate BY HAND the ENTIRE document.  I expect it to stay
rotated.

> And with that in mind, if you're generating the PDF documents, why
> not generate them with proper page rotation in the first place?

The document is wide so that if I print it it will come out rotated.
Sometimes I would do that, but it's not the issue at hand.

Tom

  Thomas D. Schneider, Ph.D.
  National Institutes of Health
  National Cancer Institute
  Gene Regulation and Chromosome Biology Laboratory
  Molecular Information Theory Group
  Frederick, Maryland  21702-1201
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