On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Rob MacLeod <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks guys for the rapid and licid response. I will continue to
> experiment to find a workflow that allows me to take advantage of the
> benefits without the mishaps.
>
> Is there a quick, keyboard approach to exporting the pdf with markup? I
> could probably even handle an AppleScript type solution and bulk convert a
> whole directory full of marked up assignments for my classes.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
The Skimalot (http://sourceforge.net/p/skim-app/wiki/Shell_Scripts/) shell
script can handle batch converting an entire folder, if you're comfortable
using the terminal.
Cheers,
JJ
>
>
> On May 8, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Jan Jakob Bornheim <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Christiaan Hofman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 8, 2015, at 15:12, Rob MacLeod wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have used Skim off and on for some years, just updated to the new
>> version, and appreciate a great deal of what the program offers. I drift
>> back to Preview at times but then get frustrated again with each new
>> version and return to Skim for a while. This relationship is a little like
>> serial monogamy and I am trying to figure out why I cannot commit to Skim
>> as my lifelong partner (-:
>>
>> The main reason I leave Skim is the clumsy file management it requires
>> and so I thought I would bring this up, perhaps as a topic long since
>> discussed and put to bed. So please point me at the answers, if they exist
>> somewhere on this list or the help pages.
>>
>> The clumsy part, of course, is the need to export the file each time I
>> wish to save a version I can read with another pdf reader or send to
>> another person. I use pdf markup for all my grading, much of the markup of
>> papers and grants I collaborate on, and most anything else students or
>> colleagues send to me for comment. So I guess I am a power user or at
>> least a committed user of pdf markup tools. I have to share the results of
>> those edits with others and most others do not use Skim--and I am not
>> likely to change this behavior. As a result of need to share, I need to
>> save conventional pdf files with the markup embedded and visible. Skim
>> makes this harder to do that I would like and I wonder why the Skim
>> designers figured their convention was useful. Why take a portable
>> document format and make is non-portable?
>>
>> I try to be very careful about my workflow, saving the file each time
>> through the export path, then ignoring the complaints from SKim when I
>> close the file. But I have slipped up and I have lost edits and I have
>> sent out strangely unmarked files to my students. I really should not have
>> to worry about this. Why is the default not to save files with embedded
>> markup? Can I change the default somehow to make it save standard pdf
>> files?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any guidance and counseling I might need to get
>> over my hump with Skim and finally make it the tool I use all the time.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob MacLeod, PhD
>> Professor of Bioengineering and Internal Medicine
>> University of Utah
>> Scientific Computing and Imaging (SCI) Institute
>> Comprehensive Arrhythmia Research and MAnagement (CARMA)
>> Cardiovascular Research and Training Institute (CVRT)
>> 72 South Central Campus Drive
>> Salt Lake City, Utah 84112
>> Email: [email protected]
>> URL: www.sci.utah.edu/~macleod
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, this has been discussed to death on this list before. Though I don't
>> have the links ready. There is also a discussion of it on the Wiki. (And
>> there is also no way this will change, so don't try.)
>>
>> The original reason for this is that when we started with Skim PDFKit did
>> not allow saving notes to the PDF. So partly this is about backward
>> compatibility. However this is by no means the only reason. There are many
>> reasons to have this. It has the notes as a separate layer, so you also
>> still have the original unedited PDF. Also, you can view the notes
>> separately. Most of all, PDFKit's saving is too often really bad, it can
>> lose you PDF data (partly because PDFKit only supports older versions of
>> PDF), or it can save it inefficiently, and it often messes up the notes.
>> Also, when it is password protected, PDFKit can not simply save it, unlike
>> Skim. Moreover, saving and reason in Skim is because of this a lot faster.
>> And then there is backward compatibility with files saved by Skim.
>>
>> Christiaan
>>
>
> Obviously, a number of good reasons. I just wanted to add that PDFKit
> really does save incredibly inefficiently. I have a number of scans from
> old books downloaded from archive.org. The PDFs are usually around 30
> Mbytes. Saving them with embedded notes or in Preview will bloat it up to
> beyond 300 Mbytes, saving notes the Skim way leaves the size virtually
> unchanged. On a smaller scale, a similar effect can be seen with any
> scanned PDF. Also, PDFKit has trouble handling a lot of non-English
> characters. Up until Mac OS X 10.11, saving a PDF with certain fonts
> containing Umlauts or accented characters would always corrupt the entire
> PDF. Now with Yosemite, it only happens once every while, but it still
> incredibly frustrating. Once again, that does happen with the way Skim
> saves notes. For me, this was the feature that drew me to Skim in the first
> place.
>
> JJ
>
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