Hi Doug and list! Yes, the menues work fine for me. However, I have had to deal with quite a few people that couldn't get them to work. I'm talking about people that haven't been educated about windows concepts. They can only send Email by rote and wouldn't know how to join this list to request help.
Whether it would help to have it in the installer, I suppose may be debated, but it certainly can't hurt. Certainly, the google toolbar is in the installer and that's a great way to screw up a system. Cheers, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <[email protected]> To: "skype english list" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] on access and skype again > Hmm, I was not aware that the menus didn't work for any of us. That > or I forgot, which I'm told happens often enough to notice. :P > Anyway, examples welcome. > > Ironically btw, I think the installer options themselves are easy > enough to miss, just because a lot of people just fire off standard > installers without a second look. I think it would look nice to have > accessibility options in the installer, which is why I said I agreed > with Jim; but I'm actually not convinced it would really help us much. > > On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 08:48:00AM +1300, David Allen wrote: > Hi Doug and list! > > Well, I like his 5. That would be a big help. Unfortunately, too many > don't > know those accessability features are there in the first place, and as Jim > rightly points out, if they can't get menues working as often happens, > they > can't get it done even if some of us try to tell them it is possible. Your > scripts page documents things very nicely, but most can't be bothered to > read, let alone follow good instructions. > > About 7, I agree that too many of the modern sounds in particular are too > much alike to be distinguishable from each other, but this is easy enough > sorted by importing sounds you want for things that matter to you, and > many > of the events probably go unused anyway. > > Cheers, > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Lee" <dgl at dlee.org> > To: "skype english list" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] on access and skype again > > >> I'm carrying this over from the marrie.org days because I didn't get >> an answer sent out before we moved. >> >> Jim, I agree with all but item 4 below. Item 4 has been discussed >> before, and I think the complexity is not outweighed by the >> convenience. I still can't reproduce item 1 though, and I don't >> really understand what you want in item 7. The rest should be >> forwarded to Skype directly for action. I'm forwarding the help >> balloon and tab-control-in-tab-order suggestions to them myself. >> >> On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 04:23:23AM -0800, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: >> Ok ok it is time for me to rant and for doug to sigh and say oh god jim >> is >> at it again. >> Things that need to be done. >> 1. Take the links for events out or make it where when you use them >> skype >> does not crash. I can reproduce this on every system I got. >> 2. put the tab controls in the tab order. >> 3. a focusable tool bar in the skype chat so one can use the features of >> the tool bar in the chat window. This is mainly for thoughs who are not >> using jaws. >> 4. More hot keys and the option to have them active when the program has >> focus or global. >> 5. a check box in the installer program to turn on accessibility >> features. >> I mean having them in the menu is all well and good but if you can't >> access >> the menu in the first place to turn them on tell they are turned on does >> not >> do much good yes? >> 6. a new accessability option to use standard help balloons for alerts >> and >> notafacations. >> This will allow all screen reader to inform you what is going on no more >> need for skype watch. >> 7. while not a major access issue but sound that kind of give you the >> user >> an idea of what is going on! Sounds that maybe the user can figure out >> which one is wich. >> My thoughts for what they are worth. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: skypeenglish-bounces at marrie.org >> [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at marrie.org] On Behalf Of Doug Lee >> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 3:30 AM >> To: skype english list >> Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] What is the latest accessible version of >> Skype? >> >> Be sure to check the two options in the Accessibility submenu of the >> View menu before deciding whether Skype 3.6 is accessible. <grin> >> >> The scripts help, mostly with chats I suppose, but are not absolutely >> essential for using Skype 3.6. The Skype team has done a lot of work >> to make things accessible to users of all screen readers, not just >> JAWS. >> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 09:19:41PM -0800, George Cassell wrote: >> >> What is the latest accessible version of Skype, and are scripts >> required or even recommended for it? >> >> >> >> I currently have Skype version 3.6.0.216 installed on my system, and >> find it to be only marginally accessible. >> >> >> >> -- George >> >> thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access the scripts go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype/ >> to access the tutorials and more visit >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> Thanks >> >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at marrie.org >> http://marrie.org/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_marrie.org >> >> >> -- >> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org >> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com >> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >> "The most exhausting thing in life is being insincere." >> - Anne Morrow Lindbergh {American Author} >> >> thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access the scripts go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype/ >> to access the tutorials and more visit >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> Thanks >> >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at marrie.org >> http://marrie.org/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_marrie.org >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >> 12/22/2007 >> 2:02 PM >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >> 12/22/2007 >> 2:02 PM >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1193 - Release Date: >> 12/22/2007 >> 2:02 PM >> >> >> >> thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access the scripts go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype/ >> to access the tutorials and more visit >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> Thanks >> >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at marrie.org >> http://marrie.org/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_marrie.org >> >> -- >> Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org >> SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com >> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >> "You must let me try, for a true soldier does not admit defeat before >> the battle." >> --Helen Keller (in a letter to the president of Radcliffe College) >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> Skypeenglish at emissives.com >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > -- > Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org > SSB BART Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes > revenge, and dares forgive an injury." --E. H. Chapin > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > Skypeenglish at emissives.com > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >
