I would like to agree with you, Bruce.

I actually shouts at blind people nagging "but it's different!" (imagine a 
whiny little voice)

Yes, sometimes different means inaccessible, but not all the time.

Regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Toews" <[email protected]>
To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype Concerns


> It is also incumbent on us to move with the times. Too often, blind
> people equate "accessibility" with "the same as it's always been". New
> proceedure, immediately people start screaming that something is not
> accessible. We want things to stay as they were, but life doesn't work
> that way, computers don't work that way, Skype doesn't work that way. It
> makes us look bad if we greet change with howls of "inaccessible", when
> what we really mean is "different".
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:59:05 -0500, "Lino Morales" <lino0876 at gmail.com>
> said:
>> I agree with you Jack but we can also make a difference by contacting
>> Skype's development team via the Gira bug report forms and let them know
>> of
>> our concerns. I'm sure you saw my message a few days ago and I still
>> stand
>> on that. It is up to us the blind consumer to let the Microsoft's, IBM
>> etc
>> etc companies know what we want and need for accessibility. Even though
>> what
>> we say might go out one ear and out the other, we can still try. Long
>> live
>> Skype! Your bro in Christ,
>> Lino Morales and Louie Lab
>> Email and Windows Live Messenger:
>> lino.morales at lljfm.net
>> For Blind Christian Men, visit:
>> http://morales-family.lljfm.net/mailman/listinfo/blindmen4christ_morales-family
>> to subscribe to Blind Men For Christ.
>> And check out our site at:
>> www.lljfm.net
>> where you'll find our blog and other links.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jack" <jlowe27 at neo.rr.com>
>> To: "screen access software with skype" <skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:14 AM
>> Subject: [Skypeenglish] Skype Concerns
>>
>>
>> When it comes to computers and the internet, I'm pretty computer savvy.
>> My
>> concern is that with each upgrade of Skype, it becomes less user friendly
>> for blind people than the previous one.  And while some improvements are
>> going to happen, my thinking is that if it's not broken, don't fix it.
>> It
>> seems that the Skype software is slowly becoming more and more unfriendly
>> to
>> screen readers.  And while all the credit in the world goes out to Doug
>> for
>> keeping the Jaws scripts as current as possible, my fear is that one day
>> the
>> program will just become too complicated for the average Jaws user to
>> navigate.  And from the looks of the posts to this group, I'd say that
>> we're
>> heading in that direction.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to
>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the
>> latest version of skype go to
>> http://www.dlee.org/skype
>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
>> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>>
>>
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> -- 
>  Bruce Toews
>  dogriver at ogts.net
>
>
> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To  access scripts for the 
> latest version of skype go to
> http://www.dlee.org/skype
> To access tutorials and other goodies go to
> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
> thanks and have a wonderful day.
>
>
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