Sorry jack almost every program in use to day needs extra documentation for the blind user. For example lets take gold wave for example. While I have tried to make the scripts for that program as easy to use as I can there are extra hot keys that you as a blind person need to know about. How do you find out about them. well you read the help text and you learn what they are. In internet explorer the virtual cursor is used. Once again to work with and use the verchual cursor you have to understand how it works. Once again to do this you have to read the documentation. Skype is no different in this regard. The scripts have added functionality that make using skype 4.1 easy yes I wil say it even easyer then 3.8. the only way you can take advantage of this though is to read the documentation. So every program I know of that uses scripts has documentation that you really should read and if your mind set is to not have to ever read documentation to use a program simple or other wise I guess you had better start uninstalling stuff lots of stuff. Fact is documentation is a part of a computer users life all the more so if you are a blind computer user. If you don't like that I am sorry but it is true. Oh buy the way the skype upgrade was maid so it would be easyer for the main streem user. That is people like my dad who never read documentation they just point and click. We the blind users are not in that main streem probably never will be so we had better get used to having to do that little extra work. yep part of that work is understanding some documentation that pertains to the program. Part of that work is having a deeper understanding then the average person of windows and windows concepts. Or as I tell my clients windows is monkey see and monkey do but we have to understand a little bit more then the average monkey.
?????????????????? Jim Grimsby Junior. Please feel free to contact me at anytime using one of the below methods. Skype: Jim.Grimsby 909-498-4711. E-mail: JGrimsby at roadrunner.com Windows live messenger: Jim.Grimsby at ATT.net -----Original Message----- From: skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jack Lowe Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:20 PM To: screen access software with skype Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] I don't like skype 4.1 Jim, Not everyone is as interested as you might be in learning about every nuance of the inner workings of a program. Most people have a plug and play mentality when it comes to computers. When I have to sit down and read pages of documentation to use something like Skype, that's the day that I uninstall it from my computer. People want simplicity. They don't want to read a manual to use something as simple as Skype. When the upgrades require me to read documentation to use a program that shouldn't require any thought, then the program has become too complicated for the average user and they've defeated the purpose of the upgrade. Improvements are supposed to make a program more user friendly, not complicate matters so you need to read documentation on how to use it. You have the mindset to want to learn these things, and that's great. Most people don't. When you make a program that is no longer user friendly for the average user, then who are you making it for? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Grimsby JR." <[email protected]> To: "'screen access software with skype'" <skypeenglish at emissives.com> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] I don't like skype 4.1 In other words you could not be bothered to learn. I mean come on you spend ten minits with a program and decide it is crap? Did you read the documentation on dougs script page for skype. Did you have the scripts installed come on man give something a chance use it for a few days read the docs and then after that if you don't like it tell us what your issues are. Ten minits sheesh. ?????????????????? Jim Grimsby Junior. Please feel free to contact me at anytime using one of the below methods. Skype: Jim.Grimsby 909-498-4711. E-mail: JGrimsby at roadrunner.com Windows live messenger: Jim.Grimsby at ATT.net -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:skypeenglish-bounces at emissives.com] On Behalf Of alex wallis Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:13 AM To: screen access software with skype Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] I don't like skype 4.1 Hi clair. To clarify my words, I did not literally mean the people who designed the new interface for skype 4.1 should be shot, lol it was my way of saying it is a terrible design, and I can't believe that they adopted it as a new interface. I actually did revert back to skype 3.8 it looks far to different for my liking, I spent ten minutes playing with it and couldn't even figure out a nice easy way of accessing the history for an individual conversation. Plus I don't feel like remembering a massive load of keystrokes just to get things done with really simple areas of skype like conversations. I just find 3.8 a lot more navigable, especially as in a lot of areas 4.1 just seems to make things that were very simple in 3.8 stupidly complex. I will put a suggestion in to skype regarding some kind of option for a 3.8 classic interface button. I am sure skype 4.1 does offer more accessibility features and better call quality but I don't feel like getting to grips with a hole new interface just for a few new features. I am probably a dinosaur, as I am going nowhere near windows vista or windows 7 either for a long time to come. I will only upgrade when I am forced to by the fact that developers stop making apps for xp. I spent ten minutes playing with skype 4.1 just looking at the interface and couldn't feel comfortable with it at all. Having said that Its a shame 3.8 doesn't have that conversation list feature that 4.1 does. Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html to download a tool that will help install skypewatch for jaws users, go to this link. http://free-zg.t-com.hr/hkatic/SWSetup.zip thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html to download a tool that will help install skypewatch for jaws users, go to this link. http://free-zg.t-com.hr/hkatic/SWSetup.zip thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html to download a tool that will help install skypewatch for jaws users, go to this link. http://free-zg.t-com.hr/hkatic/SWSetup.zip thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list Skypeenglish at emissives.com http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
