Alf wrote:
> This is what I mean by i dun wanna hear ur crap :)
> Fine.. I'll keep quiet since i dun't know anything and i am inexperienced.
Sigh, Elvin, I am not trying to be rude, I am trying
to be honest. You yourself told me that you had a problem
with your pride, but I tell you, if you learn to be humble and
learn stuff, you can really accomplish great things.
> Nuf said..
>
> Elvin
> -
> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Ng Kai Hoe Raymond wrote:
>
> > Alf wrote:
> >
> > > I know all of us are hoping to get SLP up by helping HardwareZone.
> > > But I feel that we are being made use of at times...
> > > Why can't we concentrate on getting the cyberway hosting ?
> >
> > Cyberway's hosting is not enough. And do you think without
> > producing results, we can get the Cyberway's hosting? Do you
> > know how many substantiation that we have to put through,?
> > Do you know how many meetings we have to set with Compaq,
> > Donovan et al? Do you know we have to meet them soon to properly
> > substantiate (Myself, Harish and Moonshi will be meeting them
> > soon) ourselves? Do you know we have to tell them what services
> > are we running? Projected growth and so on?
> >
> > Your antics of "I just want to share Linux with my friends" is not
> > going to bring you far. No great man has become great without
> > understanding the social/political fabric underlying his time. To
> > paraphrase a bastardized version of Clausewitz's quote from
> > "On War" , "Technology is just an extension of politics and society
> > by other means".
> >
> > This is a chicken and egg problem, but I doubt you can see it in that
> > light. Forgive me for saying this again and again, you may have a lot
> > of energy but as far as working experience is concerned, you are still
> > far behind most of us. You do not know what is needed in a real
> > world, even when you are handling seven servers in Singnet, you cannot
> > even perform on par with just 2 in 1-net.
> >
> >
> > > to run daily !!!)
> > >
> > > I just dun feel comfortable with the setup...
> >
> > This is what I tell most members. There are no reasons not to join
> > or to leave unless there are STRONG ideological differences which
> > you cannot reconcile between you and us. If working with us
> > constitutes a conflict of interest, you can choose to leave. We will
> > still respect you as a friend.
> >
> > When I conceptualized the whole site initially to 3 main parties, I promised
> > no politicking, total freedom of expression, and benefits through enhancement
> > of their individual reputation. So far, I have retaliated every single effort
> > to
> > form a leader (which would make the free market concept unfree) and I
> > think I have fulfilled my promise.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Elvin
> > > -
> > > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Moonshi Mohsenruddin wrote:
> > >
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> > > > Guys,
> > > >
> > > > I am sorry if this email sounded as if I am rushing you guys alot on the
> > > > things that needs immediate attention but without us doing all these,
> > > > HardwareZone.com cannot generate the revenues they needed to pay for the
> > > > bandwithdh connection and etc. They are losing about SGD100.00 a day
> > > > parking their server in 1-Net serving nothing but basic services on the
> > > > sites.
> > > >
> > > > We need to streamline all the technical, installed applications and
> > > > services process and get all the services up and running quickly. I was
> > > > hoping all these could be done by end of this week and if needed, one of
> > > > us (maybe me or Poh) go down to the server room to stand-by in case it
> > > > (ns2.phing.com) needs a manual reboot and meanwhile the rest of you do
> > > > what is necessary on the 2 boxes.
> > > >
> > > > We can't delay this any longer as I am also doing some marketing for
> > > > HardwareZone.com and getting companies to host web/email on their servers.
> > > >
> > > > I hope we can all make time for it.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > > - --
> > > > Moonshi Mohsenruddin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Singapore icq:2595480 http://www.linux.com.sg
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ng Kai Hoe
> > > > > Raymond
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:55 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Some Changes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As adviced, Phing has moved 192.168.1.4 forward
> > > > > to take a public IP to facilitate fail safe takeover.
> > > > >
> > > > > And as such, any previous configuration which depends
> > > > > on using 192.168.1.4 probably does not work now.
> > > > > Maybe NFS, and other stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > One thing I expect to have a heavy impact is Elvin's
> > > > > mirror, you may want to change some settings on the
> > > > > server itself. Thanks
> > > > >
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> > Ng Kai Hoe Raymond Pager : 92279944 ICQ UIN : 4878260
> > Editor, Singapore Linux Portal http://linux.com.sg
> > Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > PGP Public Key : http://members.tripod.com/~ngkaihoe/ngkaihoe.txt
> >
> > 'This has given me the greatest trouble and still does: to realize
> > that what things are called is incomparably more important than what
> > they are.'
> > - Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
> >
> >
> >
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Ng Kai Hoe Raymond Pager : 92279944 ICQ UIN : 4878260
Editor, Singapore Linux Portal http://linux.com.sg
Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP Public Key : http://members.tripod.com/~ngkaihoe/ngkaihoe.txt
'This has given me the greatest trouble and still does: to realize
that what things are called is incomparably more important than what
they are.'
- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
