Lionel Siau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The reason I thought it would be useful to have guidelines, rules, organisation
> is that SLP needs sponsorship to move forward. However, companies never sponsor
> anything unless they can get something out of you, usu advertising. But want to
> avoid a major PR fisaco if something goes wrong.
Ah... spoken truely like a person with market experience,
good. We need more people like you. :) sincerely.
Yes, I do agree with you regarding that, so the trick is to
present a united front, an uniform image to our potential
sponsors, while at the back, we retain a very free system
of working, everyone gets to do the stuff they like, write
the stuff they want to write. That will retain the dynamism
present in a system where all elements are freely contributing
elements, while at the same time, having the same uniform
image to outsiders.
That is why I have been telling you all, be very careful when
you use your linux.com.sg's email account. Everything you
say using that account reflects partially on our official
stand, and it may not be. Perhaps that is the only guideline
I have for the whole group, you may of course choose to add
on to the list.
> Therefore, if u present a united, organised and well thought out plan, u get the
> $$$. If u turn up to be a bunch of free-wheeling amatuers, hackers, crackers,
> warez kings etc, they avoid u like the plague. .Trust me, I work in a big MNC on
> the other side of the table b4. Basically, we acted like a bunch of stingy
I assure you that free wheeling amateurs, hackers and crackers
can dress up in business suits and impress upon our potential
business partners. Do you see anything wrong with it? I do not.
> yes yes...it is bureacratic, stifling, no creativity, as irritating as writing
> your documentation, so government like......so agst the nature of 'hackers'. But
> I just feel that working with The System is better than jumping up and down in
> your corner and be ignored by everyone. Just my 2 cents.
I assure you, having a government is the BEST way to get yourself
ignored. How often does PAP listen to our opinions? I do not want
someone to come challenging me to come to his GRC for election.
Besides, nobody says anything about a total lack of a system. When
I and Rhandeev conceptualized the general concept of the site, we
intended it to evolve by its own, the system, along with all its informal
leaders will evolve out by its own. Rhandeev's concerns are ideological
(to the best of my knowledge), in the fashion of free software, my
concerns are more pragmatic, my concerns are completely economical.
I know that if any other model were to be taken, we would be on our
way to demise.
I am not trying to be cocky, but look at all the local websites on
Linux, the LUGS (SOC) or LUGS website, who moves faster than
us? We may still be slow by many people's standard, but that is
because the infrastructure is not fully up yet, and no matter how slow
we are, we are still much faster than a system which takes on a
conventional hirarchical model (and mind you, we are all part time).
This dynamism is not accidental, it was all planned and expected.
Make sure the whole system is like a free market, everyone gets what
they want from participating from it (fame, sense of accomplishment,
enhancement of personal reputation, whatever), they get rewarded
for it and they will participate because they will feel they are a part
of the whole movement and they are NOT contributing to anyone else's
selfish motives.
This may be hard to visualize, but most of you probably do not know
the amount of social engineering that goes beneath SLP. I will not
go into those lengthy bedtime grandfather stories on social and political
philosophy, you probably only need to care about the results.
And since the present system already proves to work better than the
conventional model, why de-evolve to the conventional model.
> Lionel
>
> PS : I believe we should have a elected leader or at least a close group of 2-3
> pple as a council.
That is earned, not elected. Moonshi has only joined us rather late in the
whole SLP, he has already evolved from a mere participating member to
be one of the more prominent informal (so called) leaders. If you can contribute
you can always be one of those leaders specializing in a certain movement or
a new movement that you want SLP to move in.
> PPS : A mission statement would also be nice....how abt a no-prize contest on it?
Still in the process. Still cannot think of a nice one.
>
>
> > > Looks like the conclusion is : why is this moron sooooo irritating.
> >
> > Nooo. you can suggest anything you like. If
> > the majority here is for forming rules, then my
> > points do not count, do they?
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