Good point, my bad. But still, they route correctly... So issue still stands, AP and Bridge on same subnet, (DHCP is also on 192 subnet..) so what am I missing?
-----Original Message----- From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 10:34:29 -0700 Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Lossofassociation > The new Airbridges are not transparent. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shoffman > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and > Lossofassociation > > > Alex, > > IP conflicts? Really? > > Ok exploring that concept. We hard code SB device IP's to > 192.168.101.0/24 addresses, and the AP's (Cisco) are on the same subnet > (192.168.101.0/24. All transparent. User's systems are using DHCP to > a > > public IP 68.88.28.0/23. > > Where is there an IP conflict? > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "sB Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:01:27 +0800 > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss > ofassociation > > > I believe it is true but what cause it to happen is a mystery. What I > > can think of possibility is IP conflict between 2 devices and corrupt > > the other one. > > > > It is fine to turn off airBridge together when the PC is turned off. > > But it is all user preference. It doesn't matter anything. > > > > Alex > > sB Tech Support > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:00 AM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss > > ofassociation > > > > > > Alex, > > > > I know it may seem hard to believe, but this is exactly what is > > happening to my customers. And in three of the four cases I guarantee > > you the customer is not changing the ESSID from logan-wt to the > > gibberish that I > > > > find when I arrive on site. And the fourth person, while I wouldn't > > bet my life on it, I'd bet a considerable amount of money he's not > > changing it either. (When I dropped into a DOS prompt he thought his > > monitor was going > > out since part of the screen turned black). So I am closer to 100% > than > > 99% certain that he's not changing it. > > > > > > One is using Windows 95 (I know...supposedly not supported but it > does > > > work. I have three customers using it, and the other two are fine, > but > > > going off a different AP. The simplemonitor software won't run on it, > > but the airbridge works with it.) So I know she's not changing the > > ESSID. I set it for her using my laptop. The firmware is 1.50. > > > > One is using Millenium. She doesn't have the SB software on her PC. > So > > > I > > > > know she isn't changing the ESSID. Again, I set this with my laptop, > > firmware 1.50. > > > > One is using Windows 98 SE. He has the software but doesn't have a > > clue how to open it or log into the AB. He also hae 1.50 firmware. > > > > And the last guy is using a Linksys router on a Macintosh network. He > > obvisouly doesn't have the software on there either. So he's not > > changing > > the ESSID. I had 1.50 firmware on him, but have backreved him to > 1.43. > > > We're monitoring that to see if that fixes it. (This guy is using and > > ABO. > > The other three are using airbridge indoor units. > > > > All four of these people are on the same access point. None of the > > people on my other access point have ever had this happen. All of > > these people have great LQ and RSSI. (People with far less LQ and > RSSI > > > are not seeing > > > > this.) > > > > If I have to roll back to any of these sites again I'll take the 1.43 > > firmware with me and backrev it to see if that's what's causing it. I > > doubt that it is however as their are customers on my other AP that > are > > using 1.50 and not seeing this. I'm thinking it's got to be something > > inside the indoor airbridges that cause this. > > > > If the customers were to power off their airbridges each night, that > > shouldn't hurt anything, should it? Should I tell them to leave them > on > > all the time? (Many of them might, but they aren't going to leave > their > > PCs on. And i wouldn't think they'd need to leave the airbridges on > > either, but I thought I'd ask. > > > > Thanks > > Sam > > > > > > > > On Wed, 25 Jun 2003, sB Tech Support wrote: > > > > > We do not see the logic or any possibility that the ESSID could be > > > changed by itself without anybody changing its conifg, either > > possible > > > > > of hacking or the security being compromised. But still we will do > a > > > research on this. > > > > > > About the inactivity for 5 minutes, after the client devices > > > associated with an access point, it monitors the signal strength > and > > > > the traffic in order to keeps the link going. When there is no > > traffic > > > > > passed between the client devices and the access point for more > than > > 5 > > > > > minutes, the client device becomes idle but REMAIN associated. Once > > > the traffic is kicked in, it will "wake up" again and start talking > > to > > > > > the access point. > > > > > > During this re-initiation process with the access point if the RSSI > > > and Link Quality is not sufficient enough to establish the link it > > > will disassociate with the access point and search for a better > > > signal, but eventually will associate to the access point. > > > > > > Alex > > > sB Tech Support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shoffman > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 12:29 AM > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and > > > Lossofassociation > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > This is what we were told before. We monitored the association > from > > > the > > > > > > Cisco AP. As I stated, we did see it dis-associate, and y'all > > > (SmartBridge tech Support) confirmed that inactivity for a period > of > > 5 > > > > > minutes will cause the unit to disassociate. > > > > > > The ESSIS was always hard-coded, and the BSSID was set both to > > 0000000 > > > (however many) and with Hard code of the BSSID for the AP. Issue > > > persisted in either case. So we implemented the pings, and that > > cleared > > > > > > up the problem. We are now doing SNMP monitoring of the untis and > > > have > > > sinced turned off the pings (the SNMP gets are keeping the > connection > > > alive...) > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Alex Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:36:26 +0800 > > > Subject: RE: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss > > > ofassociation > > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > When client computer turned on, how do you tell the association > is > > > > not > > > > > > > there? If the TXRX LED is solid, it is indicating associated. Can > > > > check them out of happen again? Also, do you hardcode the ESSID, > > > > or set as ANY? If it is any, the airBridge can associate to any > > > > AP. > > When > > > > the problem happen, does anybody does the restore to default > > causing > > > > > > the ESSID to ANY (unless you have used simpleDeploy for default > > > > config). > > > > > > > > If the problem persists, please let us know and I would like you > > > > to send > > > > to us directly for analysis. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > sB Tech Support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shoffman > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:49 AM > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > Subject: Fwd: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and > > > > Loss ofassociation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > > > > > Agreed on power supply, especially in light of the Onion report. > > We > > > > have 50 installed from that batch you guys are dealing with. We > > > > haven't had any "total" dead, but one may have a heat problem. > > > > (replacing it today... stays good for about 60 minutes, then > > looses > > > > > > association. > > > > Restart, nothing. Turn it down.. wait about 10 minutes.. > > > > turn-up, bang, > > > > back on air.. for about 1 hour or so... (some times shorter). > > We > > > > will > > > > do some in house checking before we attempt an RMA...) > > > > > > > > But back to the original, We have done our best (except putting a > > > > UPS > > > > or > > > > > > > > larger power supply on the power shot)to clean up the power, but > > > > given > > > > > > > it > > > > is a rural install, power may not be totally clean. But what > > leads > > > us > > > > to our theory is that this only happened when the client computer > > was > > > > turned off at night (or during the day). The AB was never > pwoered > > > > off, > > > > > > > > but when clients computer turned on.. Association was not there. > > We > > > > go out and reset the jibberish in the ESSID, and walla, back up > > > > and happy. > > > > > > > > Again, another point leading us to believe our theory is that > > > > since we started the pining (3 weeks ago) we have never heard > from > > > > > client again > > > > > > > (i.e. its staying solid...) So... go figure. > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: "Alex Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 00:17:51 +0800 > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss of > > > > association > > > > > > > > It could be the noisy power source or some spike that cause the > > > > memory > > > > > > > to corrupt. Check if there is proper grounding and clean power > > > > supply. > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > sB Tech Support > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam > > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:04 PM > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss of > > > > association > > > > > > > > > > > > No, this isn't what happened. There is no software on these > > > > computers > > > > for the person to be able to log into the airbridge with. I have > to > > > > take my laptop to them and login to the AB and reassociate it > > myself. > > > > > > > > Can anyone at SB shed light on this? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 23 > > > > Jun 2003, phantam wrote: > > > > > > > > > I HAVE seen this whenever I do a remote essid change and it > > fails, > > > > > maybe the text isn't being sent properly but in this case it > > messes > > > > up > > > > > > > > > quite often. Once it messed up and I could swear it was screwed > > up > > > > but > > > > > > > > > they reset it and it associated properly I don't know if it > just > > > > > was > > > > > > > > sent properly but not associated or it's a messed up command > > > > > that the unit has to be rebooted after a essid change and it > > > > > doesn't > > do > > > > > > > it properly. > > > > > > > > > > What could this be seeni? > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:32 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > One thing I don't do, is install any utility that allows them > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > involved in any way with the radio gear. The less they know the > > > > better > > > > > > > > > we all are. Of course we always retain ownership of the radio. > I > > > > > > even do that with the gateway router in most cases, even though > > they > > > > do > > > > > buy that from me. > > > > > In most cases all we have to do is tell them to reboot their > pc, > > > > gateway > > > > > router, or radio when they stop working. > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Tom Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:28 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss > > > > > of association > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you seen an AP with the ESSID of ZUCimkXZ while doing > any > > > > > > > installs or war driving? Do these customers who had issues > > > > > > have access to > > > > > simpleMonitor > > > > > > and if so are they the type who might have played with the > > radio > > > > > > in an attempt to "fix" the connection? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one who thinks they know more about our system than we > > do > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > they are always causing me issues by screwing around with all > > > > > > their settings. They are not using anything from smartBridge, > > but > > > > > > another radio I no > > > > > longer > > > > > > use. I guess I don't charge enough to go clean up their > messes > > > > > > > when they > > > > > get > > > > > > good and drunk. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 23:28 > > > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Weird Characters in ESSID and Loss of > > > > association > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tonight I went to two of my customer's homes to > re-associate > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > airbridges. When I got there the ESSID had changed from > > > > > > > logan-wt > > > > > > > > > > to something like ZUCimkXZ and the BSSID was all zeros. > > > > > > > Earlier > > > > > > > this > > > > > weekend > > > > > > > another customer with an airbridge outdoor had the same > > > > > > > thing happen. > > > > > His > > > > > > > ESSID changed from logan-wt to some jumble of letters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got any idea what is causing this to happen? There are > about > > > > > > > 30 > > > > > > > people > > > > > on > > > > > > > that AP (logan-wt). All three of these people are on the > > > > > > > logan-wt AP. As far as I know they are the only three that > > lost > > > > > > > association, but this is the third time in a month or so > > > > > > > that > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > happened. Are these defective Airbridges? Their RSSI is > > > > > > > > 50% and the Link quality is close to 80%. > > > > > They > > > > > > > are at most six miles from the AP, and one of them is only > a > > > > > > > > couple of miles away from the AP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should I get an rma for these or do you think there is > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > else causing this? They are all using 1.50 of the firmware, > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > I did have the man with the outdoor airbridge backrev to > > > > > > > 1.43 to > > > > > > > > > > see if that will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Sam Morris, Owner > > > > > > > Loganet Internet Service > > > > > > > Logan IA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > > > > > > > subscribe > > > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > > > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > > > > > > > unsubscribe > > > > > > smartBridges) > > > > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > > subscribe > > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > > > > unsubscribe > > > > > smartBridges) > > > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type > subscribe > > > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > (in > > > > > > > > > the body type unsubscribe > > > > > smartBridges) > > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in > > > > > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in > > > > > > > the body type unsubscribe > > > > smartBridges) > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in > > > > > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in > > > > > > > the body type unsubscribe > > > > smartBridges) > > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in > > > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in > > > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (in > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > Archives: http://198.63.203.6 > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (in > > > the body type unsubscribe > > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
