It all depends on the warranty statement.  I don't understand or see
why people think that if they have a unit that is used that needs RMAd
why you should get a NEW unit ? Your unit isn't new is it ?
If it's dead out of the box yes then you should have a new unit. But
if the unit been in service honestly do you think you should get a new
unit ?? If you think you should get a new unit then expect to see
price of the equipment go up because there isn't enought margin to do
this.

We done computer sales and service for 7 years. There are not many
companies out there that will give you a brand new unit when you get
your rma'd unless the problem been DOA or broken within the first few
months.
For example Canon will give you a new printer if yours fail within 3
months of purchase if it's more then 3 months you will either get
yours repaired or replaced with a refurbished.

Western Digital Corp, Maxtor, Quantum, Seagate and all other harddrive
manufacturers I dealted with reserves their right to send you a
refurbished harddrive (some of them will give you a brand new unit if
it failed within the first 6 months of their 36 months warranty).

Same goes for many motherboard manufacturers they either send you a
refurbished or repaired board.
I gotten boards repaired by DFI, Gigabyte and ASUS just to mention a
few.

What I do NOT like however is when you have to argue and go through
tons of hoopes to get something RMAed ESPECIALLY when it's a DOA.

I talked with a guy the other day and he had been held on the phone
for 3 (three) hours trying to work out problems with some bad units (I
understand some of those where bad out of the box and some and gone
bad in less then a month).
But also a refurbished unit is not supposed to look like crap with
pealed of tape corners and that kind of things.
Many companies they replace the outside casing (after all it's just
cheap plastic with some stickers on it) so the product looks
"representable" (I hope sB is listning here).

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GAV> Isn't there a law against this?  I remember somebody won a millionaire
GAV> lawsuit against a major Corp. because of this...

GAV> Gino

GAV> -----Original Message-----
GAV> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GAV> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan @ Wyoming.com
GAV> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 1:38 AM
GAV> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GAV> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] getting possible used items from ELECTROCOMM
GAV> AGAIN!!!


GAV> Same here boys.  I got one fresh from Singapor with all 4 corners of
GAV> the the Total sticker peeling off.  So that tells me that it had been
GAV> opened up.  By the way it is no good.

GAV> SB.....You need to fix this problem.  You need to sell those as a
GAV> referb product at a discount price.  With the # of radio's that have
GAV> been RMA'd there are going to be a bunch of referbs coming down the
GAV> line.

GAV> SB PLEASE FIX THIS PROBLEM!!!!!!!!

GAV> Thanks......Dan

GAV> On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 08:14:36 -0700
GAV> Gary Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yes, very common in any product. I buy a new product and pay new
>> product price. It is a bad unit
>> (Mfgr Fault). I send it back (At my cost for shipping)  and they
>> replace it with a refurbed unit
>> someone else sent back and they fixed.
>> Bottom line is I paid new unit price and double shipping  for a used
>> refurbed unit. That sucks.
>> This will weigh in when I choose brands to buy.
>>
>> The Wirefree Network wrote:
>>
>> > I thought they already commented on this issue.  If I recall
>> >correctly,
>> > refurbished units ARE used for RMA's.  That is the policy.
>> >
>> > Maybe I'm wrong??
>> >
>> > Sully
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric P.
>> >Grundlehner
>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 7:51 PM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] getting possible used items from
>> >ELECTROCOMM
>> > AGAIN!!!
>> >
>> > After all this talk I just checked my Airbridge Total (rma) I
>> >received
>> > last week after waiting months for it. The corners look like the
>> > stickers have been removed before. All four corners are creased.
>> >
>> > If I send back a unit that doesn't work as a RMA and they send back
>> > another refurbished unit/old RMA it will be a on going cycle until
>> >I get
>> > a unit that is either new or works. Maybe Smartbridges can afford
>> >to
>> > play this game but I sure can't with my clients. The bottom line is
>> >we
>> > can't look like idiots  because SB sends us a broken up after
>> >broken
>> > unit.
>> >
>> > Someone from ECOMM or SB please comment on this issue.
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laurence
>> >Laforga
>> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:05 PM
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] getting possible used items from
>> >ELECTROCOMM
>> > AGAIN!!!
>> >
>> > Hey..I noticed that too when I first got'em...one was to fulfill an
>> > RMA and another one a regular order. Both had the corners of the
>> >label
>> > creased as if they've been peeled off. I needed to replace a
>> > customer's unit and it worked with the new firmware so I figured no
>> > big deal.
>> >
>> > I know that they will replace RMA's with other units that have been
>> > refurbished or deemed not to be defective but I would think that
>> > regular orders should be filled with NEW units.
>> >
>> > Laurence
>> >
>> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Okay this is the 2nd time I have ordered equipment and appears 3
>> > ABO's that I received yesterday one has the corners of the sticker
>> > pulled up and its obvious it was tampered with?? Is this a used
>> >unit
>> > that was bad and sent in for repair and shipped back out to me
>> >again!
>> > I looked at the stock I got from the previous week and low and
>> >behold
>> > I found yet another one that it appears the whole sticker was off
>> >and
>> > its all bubbled up and corner is undone like it was lifted off as
>> > well..
>> > >
>> > > I hope these work because I need them BAD!
>> > >
>> > > Can someone from Ecomm and Smartbridges get together to find out
>> > what the heck is going on over there I don't want to be out in the
>> > field looking like an idiot again with used units with problems..
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Martin
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Laurence Laforga
>> > TIRGON Communications, LLC.
>> > dba Waipahu.Net Wireless Broadband
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