Im useing HP Procure and Allied Telessyn 8024 ,,, works fine,,,Allied T 450 dollars ....
> thats great to hear but what type of switches are you using that allow you > to configure them? We seem to be at a crossroads as to finding an > inexpensive switch that is small to fit in a nema type enclosure.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S�mundur Johannsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > Hi we had same problem with our costumers few weeks back, We had advice > from SB in the past to have all switches on the wireless network on Auto. > But when we put the switches to 10 half we have much faster internet > connection to our costumers and no problems,,,,, > > S�mundur J > > > >> Well to be quite honest I don't have speed problems its more of capacity >> problems at the tower from what I can tell. Its the APPO's that cant >> handle >> the traffic maybe because my Dlink switch up there cant handle it I >> don't >> know. All I know is when I had the AP-100 up there I just plugged my Cat >> 5 >> from my BH into the AP-1000 and I was done no switch to dick with. >> >> How hard would it be to make a 100Mb LAN on the APPO's only I don't know >> but >> I cant keep messing with crap any longer at the expense of my customers. >> I >> had something that worked good and was told these APPO's would be better >> I >> had my doubts and should have listened to my gut! >> >> I mean why make something with an Ethernet connection with it so slow >> isn't >> standard at least now 100mB or gigabit speeds possible more expense in >> the >> chip to upgrade?. The canopy has 100mb, I believe trango does and so >> does >> the AP-1000 why bottleneck your system especially at the AP? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:01 PM >> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >> >> >> >> I sympathize. I just did the same thing. Replaced the ABO >> at the client site with another brand of client bridge and >> all the problems went away and the throughput doubled. >> >> It turned out to be the fact that the Ethernet on the SB >> radios is Half Duplex, which I can't seem to find anything >> that doesn't cost $275 or more that supports that setting. >> Even the so called "managed" switches that I paid $88 each >> for say in their manual that they don't support 10Mbit Half >> Duplex. THAT is where I think the slowdown, and the problems >> are coming from. >> >> The radio that I replaced the ABO with has an Ethernet jack >> that is 100Mbit Full Duplex. I just think the wireless card >> in the radio is capable of switching from send to receive and >> back faster than the Ethernet chipset that SB is using. >> >> Kevin Summers >> KISTech Internet Services Inc. >> www.kistech.com >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen Wireless >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:47 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> >>> >>> Well I have made up my mind I am going to buy an AP-1000 and throw it >>> back >>> up on the tower which means I will have to get two more Ap-1000's >>> to replace >>> at my other remote wipops that feed off the main APPO's! and swap 3 >>> APPO's >>> at customers homes to an ABO or ABI since they wont pass traffic unless >>> associated to another appo! >>> >>> Money I dont have but I cant take this anymore I really feel its >>> the radios >>> but not opposed to any other suggestions on what it could be? >>> >>> I am tired of trouble shooting left and right everytime I get 5-6 >>> customers >>> online at once.. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brendan O'Bra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> >>> >>> Stupid question, but... >>> >>> Have you tried taking the demarctech box out of the loop? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> >>> >>> > I am using the bandwidth controller software from www.demarctech.com >>> > >>> > Isn't setting RTS to one going to shut down the customer?? >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:10 PM >>> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Also, how are you throttling bandwidth per customer? >>> > >>> > Kevin Summers >>> > KISTech Internet Services Inc. >>> > www.kistech.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen Wireless >>> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:01 PM >>> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > I also forgot to mention I throttled the one big user down to >>> 100kbps >>> and >>> > > same think its like it has a hold on the APPO at 11 megs (5.5) >>> > > and wont let >>> > > anything else talk to it?? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:59 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Okay this slow down is really killing me I have all users turned >>> off >>> that >>> > > appear to be sending any kind of arp but this was not what was >>> causing >>> the >>> > > slowdowns. I have two users on right now one downloading at >>> > > 700kbps and the >>> > > other one my slow customer just trying to surf and cant due it due >>> to >>> ping >>> > > rates we beyond out of control 300-400 and packet loss. >>> > > >>> > > I turn off the one customer who is downloading and the >>> problem resolves. >>> I >>> > > called the customer downloading and they are doing Microsoft >>> patches on >>> > > their machines right now so its not a virus. What gives why can one >>> person >>> > > not taking up the full bandwidth screw the whole system I >>> mean every one >>> > > else is at a dead stand still?? >>> > > >>> > > To me this is a problem in the radio APPO not being able to >>> talk to two >>> > > radios at the same time at two different speeds this thing is >>> totally >>> just >>> > > sh**ing all over itself? >>> > > >>> > > Anyone else see this happen I had the APPO set to 1 meg only 2 meg >>> and >>> 5.5 >>> > > and also 11 but nothing seems to help! I have RTS set to 800 on >>> > > the clients >>> > > and that made no difference I give up this customer wants me to >>> come >>> pull >>> > > the equipment.. >>> > > >>> > > Any ideas? >>> > > HELP! >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:02 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > This can get tricky. You need to be on a port that sees all of the >>> > > traffic - read that as 'not a switch port'. By definition a >>> switch will >>> > > only show you packets destined for your computer. >>> > > >>> > > If you really want to see what going on you need a hub or a managed >>> switch >>> > > that can replicate all traffic onto a port. >>> > > >>> > > Another option is to use a wireless card in promiscious mode - a >>> > > mode where >>> > > you see all of the traffic. Ethereal will do this with (I >>> think) most >>> > > common wireless cards. >>> > > >>> > > Mark Radabaugh >>> > > Amplex >>> > > (419) 720-3635 >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Pascal Losier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:41 PM >>> > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Just a small question, >>> > > > >>> > > > When running ethereal, Do you run it directly on the router >>> > > > (ex.Mikrotik) or on any system connected to the router. >>> > > > >>> > > > Also does it matter if the system running ethereal is log via >>> PPPOE >>> ???? >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen >>> Wireless >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:12 PM >>> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > HAHA well then my router has the virus I get like over 2000 arp >>> request >>> > > > from the router in less then 20 min which I think is way out of >>> control >>> > > > it always is asking who has what IP etc. I was told this is >>> normal in >>> > > > order for the router to know what IP has what mac etc.. >>> > > > >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:15 PM >>> > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > A WHOLE bunch of arp requests. If you run ethereal, you would >>> see >>> > > > upwards of 30 or 40% ARP requests. Some of the viruses cause ARP >>> > > > storms. >>> > > > >>> > > > Scott >>> > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen >>> Wireless >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:09 PM >>> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > What do you mean check arp I know how to check it but what am I >>> looking >>> > > > for?? >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:37 AM >>> > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Check ARP. >>> > > > >>> > > > Scott >>> > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen >>> Wireless >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:17 AM >>> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > I have done that already and there is no ICMP other then me >>> pinging >>> the >>> > > > radios It doesn't happen when there is no one online it only >>> happens >>> > > > when a few close users get on and start to surf and then >>> the far users >>> > > > have a hard time with dropped packets and slow speeds and >>> high pings. >>> I >>> > > > just thing I need to open up another AP closer to them and keep >>> my >>> > > > distance down to under 5 miles. The one person having the >>> hardest time >>> > > > is about 5.6 miles which is closer then my 7.2 mile customer who >>> is >>> > > > doing great and pointed at the same radio APPO. It might >>> just be this >>> > > > person is in a bad area with more interference is what I am >>> thinking >>> and >>> > > > I also may need to raise her ant a smidge.. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:47 AM >>> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Every time I've experienced interference (numerous times), it >>> hasn't >>> > > > affected ping times. From what I've seen, it usually causes lost >>> > > > packets, but not high latency. I don't know if anyone has >>> mentioned >>> > > > this before (I jumped in in the middle of this thread), but what >>> you're >>> > > > describing sounds exactly like something I experienced a few >>> weeks >>> ago. >>> > > > I had about six users with the Welchia virus, and they were >>> causing >>> high >>> > > > latency all over the network. If you haven't done it already, >>> put >>> a >>> > > > packet sniffer on the network, and see if you're seeing a >>> lot of icmp >>> > > > echo traffic. >>> > > > >>> > > > Craig >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Quoting Blazen Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> > > > >>> > > > > Well maybe this is not the problem now I am back to the >>> same issues >>> > > > > pings up to over 100ms and it seems now more with radios >>> that never >>> > > > > had problems before I am thinking more of interference >>> now? How many >>> > > > > of you have seen a drastic increase in SOHO wireless >>> routers popping >>> > > > > up on your site survey tab when setting up a customer, I s**t >>> you >>> not >>> > > > > one the other day had 11 >>> > > > that >>> > > > > all >>> > > > > said linksys or the default ssid for dlink stuff. Are those >>> > > > manufacturers >>> > > > > within spec it seems more and more are popping up and some with >>> better >>> > > > >>> > > > > signal then my tower according to the site survey numbers >>> in the ABO >>> > > > /ABI >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:07 AM >>> > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Actually, it does not really drop everyone down to 1meg, it >>> just >>> _MAY_ >>> > > > >>> > > > > slow down the 11meg folks in order to respond to the 1meg >>> person. >>> Hope >>> > > > >>> > > > > that makes sense. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Scott >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The >>> Wirefree >>> > > > > Network >>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 AM >>> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Huh!??!? This seems bass ackwards. If one client associates >>> at >>> 1 >>> > > > > Meg, it drops everyone down to that speed. Not the other way >>> around. >>> > > > > Weakest link theory. If a client can not associate at 11 Meg >>> and >>> > > > > steps it's way down to 1 Meg, then it CAN NOT be forced to >>> connect >>> at >>> > > > > 11 Meg. However, a client who is close in with 100% RSSI, could >>> be >>> > > > > stepped down to 1 Meg based on some far out client. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Sully >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> Blazen Wireless >>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:56 PM >>> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I have throttling in place now thats not the issue. The >>> issue is in >>> my >>> > > > >>> > > > > opinion and theory is at what rate the radios associate >>> at.. If they >>> > > > > are only associating at 1 meg or less then yes you will have >>> > > > > throughput problems, if I have all my close customers able to >>> > > > > associate at 11 megs >>> > > > > (5.5) and my furthest customers only at 1 meg ( 500kbps) then >>> the >>> > > > > further users are not going to be able to associate at 1 meg >>> but >>> will >>> > > > be >>> > > > > forced to associate at 11 megs and since that is not a stable >>> link >>> > > > they >>> > > > > will suffer as I kind of proved tonight but cant be 100% >>> sure unless >>> I >>> > > > >>> > > > > could verify what speed the users radios are associating at to >>> the >>> AP. >>> > > > >>> > > > > In theory the AP cant be associated to 3 to 4 radios all at >>> different >>> > > > > speeds. They will be associated at the speed of the >>> slowest radio or >>> > > > the >>> > > > > fastest depending on what radio has the best link I think? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > > > From: Vasu (sB Tech Team) >>> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:27 PM >>> > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > > >>> > > > > That's the basics of 802.11 std, when one user hogs the entire >>> > > > > bandwidth the remaining users have to share the bandwidth, >>> hence >>> > > > > bandwidth throttling is important to ensure good and >>> stable links to >>> > > > > all users, I think the XO series access point should solve your >>> > > > > problem which can provide dedicated bandwidth to every user. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Vasu >>> > > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> Blazen Wireless >>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:02 PM >>> > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >>> > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Slow down problems >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Okay I think I have figured out the problem with my >>> system. It seems >>> > > > > that when users are one (close users) they are associated to >>> the >>> APPO >>> > > > > at 5.5 to 11 megs possibly and the users that are further away >>> are >>> at >>> > > > > 1 meg max well if you have the near users at 11 megs tying up >>> the >>> > > > > radio and the far uses cant connect at a slower speed for a >>> better >>> > > > > link / speed quality then the far users suffer? am I correct in >>> my >>> > > > > theory does that make any sense? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > So going forward we are going to have to plan some more >>> sites closer >>> > > > > to the users having issues etc Has anyone else experienced >>> this. >>> I >>> > > > > cant verify 100% that this is true due to the fact the >>> radios don't >>> > > > > report what speed they are associated at? 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