WOW thats good how do you haev those AP's set up Noc > APPO >APPO > APPO>APPO >APPO >APPO > client??
The furthest customer I have I guess you could say goes thru 3 AP's one at the Tower then one going to the remote wipop and they are associated to the other APPO in AP mode at the WIPOP.. Quoting Jerry Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > At one customer location he goes thru 6 app to get to the NOC and last time > I was there getting 2 meg from the noc to his house. All smartbridge. > > Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 6:26 PM > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > But from way out there on the end, what is the throughput > > back to your NOC? How many hops does it go through? and > > are all the radios in the backhaul SB? > > > > Kevin Summers > > KISTech Internet Services Inc. > > www.kistech.com > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry Carter > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:17 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > I upgraded to smartbridge access points about 4 months ago and > > > have not had > > > one issue. Every Friday I reboot each ap starting on the outside > > > and working > > > my way inward. And I also reboot the mikrotik router. I do this as kind > of > > > preventative maintience. I sometimes forget and still do not have > > > problems. > > > I have 7 app in nema boxes out there and 2 appo. And also no issues > with > > > airbridges. I have 19 of them out. > > > > > > Later, > > > Jerry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:07 PM > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > I would like to do a survey to find out how many folks who are > running > > > > this stuff are currently having problems with it!!??!! I am very > > > > curious. It just seems like this stuff just dies at Phenomenal > > > > rates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Summers > > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:10 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, how are you throttling bandwidth per customer? > > > > > > > > Kevin Summers > > > > KISTech Internet Services Inc. > > > > www.kistech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen Wireless > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:01 PM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also forgot to mention I throttled the one big user down to > 100kbps > > > > > and same think its like it has a hold on the APPO at 11 megs (5.5) > > > > > and wont let anything else talk to it?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Blazen Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:59 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay this slow down is really killing me I have all users turned > off > > > > > that appear to be sending any kind of arp but this was not what was > > > > > causing the slowdowns. I have two users on right now one > downloading > > > > > at 700kbps and the other one my slow customer just trying to surf > and > > > > > cant due it due to ping rates we beyond out of control 300-400 and > > > > > packet loss. > > > > > > > > > > I turn off the one customer who is downloading and the problem > > > > > resolves. I called the customer downloading and they are doing > > > > > Microsoft patches on their machines right now so its not a virus. > What > > > > > > > > > gives why can one person not taking up the full bandwidth screw the > > > > > whole system I mean every one else is at a dead stand still?? > > > > > > > > > > To me this is a problem in the radio APPO not being able to talk to > > > > > two radios at the same time at two different speeds this thing is > > > > > totally just sh**ing all over itself? > > > > > > > > > > Anyone else see this happen I had the APPO set to 1 meg only 2 meg > and > > > > > > > > > 5.5 and also 11 but nothing seems to help! I have RTS set to 800 on > > > > > the clients and that made no difference I give up this customer > wants > > > > > me to come pull the equipment.. > > > > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > HELP! > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Mark Radabaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:02 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This can get tricky. You need to be on a port that sees all of the > > > > > traffic - read that as 'not a switch port'. By definition a switch > > > > > will only show you packets destined for your computer. > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to see what going on you need a hub or a managed > > > > > switch that can replicate all traffic onto a port. > > > > > > > > > > Another option is to use a wireless card in promiscious mode - a > mode > > > > > where > > > > > you see all of the traffic. Ethereal will do this with (I think) > > > > most > > > > > common wireless cards. > > > > > > > > > > Mark Radabaugh > > > > > Amplex > > > > > (419) 720-3635 > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Pascal Losier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:41 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a small question, > > > > > > > > > > > > When running ethereal, Do you run it directly on the router > > > > > > (ex.Mikrotik) or on any system connected to the router. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also does it matter if the system running ethereal is log via > PPPOE > > > > > > ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen > Wireless > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:12 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAHA well then my router has the virus I get like over 2000 arp > > > > > > request from the router in less then 20 min which I think is way > out > > > > > > > > > > of control it always is asking who has what IP etc. I was told > this > > > > > > is normal in order for the router to know what IP has what mac > etc.. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:15 PM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A WHOLE bunch of arp requests. If you run ethereal, you would > see > > > > > > upwards of 30 or 40% ARP requests. Some of the viruses cause ARP > > > > > > storms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen > Wireless > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:09 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean check arp I know how to check it but what am I > > > > > > looking for?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:37 AM > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check ARP. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen > Wireless > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:17 AM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have done that already and there is no ICMP other then me > pinging > > > > > > the radios It doesn't happen when there is no one online it only > > > > > > happens when a few close users get on and start to surf and then > the > > > > > > > > > > far users have a hard time with dropped packets and slow speeds > and > > > > > > high pings. I just thing I need to open up another AP closer to > them > > > > > > > > > > and keep my distance down to under 5 miles. The one person having > > > > > > the hardest time is about 5.6 miles which is closer then my 7.2 > mile > > > > > > > > > > customer who is doing great and pointed at the same radio APPO. > It > > > > > > might just be this person is in a bad area with more interference > is > > > > > > > > > > what I am thinking and I also may need to raise her ant a > smidge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every time I've experienced interference (numerous times), it > hasn't > > > > > > > > > > affected ping times. From what I've seen, it usually causes lost > > > > > > packets, but not high latency. I don't know if anyone has > mentioned > > > > > > > > > > this before (I jumped in in the middle of this thread), but what > > > > > > you're describing sounds exactly like something I experienced a > few > > > > > > weeks ago. I had about six users with the Welchia virus, and they > > > > > > were causing high latency all over the network. If you haven't > done > > > > > > > > > > it already, put a packet sniffer on the network, and see if > you're > > > > > > seeing a lot of icmp echo traffic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Blazen Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well maybe this is not the problem now I am back to the same > > > > > > > issues pings up to over 100ms and it seems now more with radios > > > > > > > that never had problems before I am thinking more of > interference > > > > > > > now? How many of you have seen a drastic increase in SOHO > wireless > > > > > > > > > > > routers popping up on your site survey tab when setting up a > > > > > > > customer, I s**t you not one the other day had 11 > > > > > > that > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > said linksys or the default ssid for dlink stuff. Are those > > > > > > manufacturers > > > > > > > within spec it seems more and more are popping up and some with > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > signal then my tower according to the site survey numbers in > the > > > > > > > ABO > > > > > > /ABI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Scott Damron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:07 AM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, it does not really drop everyone down to 1meg, it > just > > > > > > > _MAY_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > slow down the 11meg folks in order to respond to the 1meg > person. > > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > that makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The > Wirefree > > > > > > > Network > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:08 AM > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Huh!??!? This seems bass ackwards. If one client associates > at > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > Meg, it drops everyone down to that speed. Not the other way > > > > > > > around. Weakest link theory. If a client can not associate at > 11 > > > > > > > Meg and steps it's way down to 1 Meg, then it CAN NOT be forced > to > > > > > > > > > > > connect at 11 Meg. However, a client who is close in with 100% > > > > > > > RSSI, could be stepped down to 1 Meg based on some far out > client. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sully > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen > > > > > > > Wireless > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:56 PM > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have throttling in place now thats not the issue. The issue > is > > > > > > > in my > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion and theory is at what rate the radios associate at.. If > > > > > > > they are only associating at 1 meg or less then yes you will > have > > > > > > > throughput problems, if I have all my close customers able to > > > > > > > associate at 11 megs > > > > > > > (5.5) and my furthest customers only at 1 meg ( 500kbps) then > the > > > > > > > further users are not going to be able to associate at 1 meg > but > > > > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > forced to associate at 11 megs and since that is not a stable > link > > > > > > they > > > > > > > will suffer as I kind of proved tonight but cant be 100% sure > > > > > > > unless I > > > > > > > > > > > > > could verify what speed the users radios are associating at to > the > > > > > > > > > > > AP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In theory the AP cant be associated to 3 to 4 radios all at > > > > > > > different speeds. They will be associated at the speed of the > > > > > > > slowest radio or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fastest depending on what radio has the best link I think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Vasu (sB Tech Team) > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:27 PM > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the basics of 802.11 std, when one user hogs the entire > > > > > > > bandwidth the remaining users have to share the bandwidth, > hence > > > > > > > bandwidth throttling is important to ensure good and stable > links > > > > > > > to all users, I think the XO series access point should solve > your > > > > > > > > > > > problem which can provide dedicated bandwidth to every user. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vasu > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen > > > > > > > Wireless > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:02 PM > > > > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] Slow down problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay I think I have figured out the problem with my system. It > > > > > > > seems that when users are one (close users) they are associated > to > > > > > > > > > > > the APPO at 5.5 to 11 megs possibly and the users that are > further > > > > > > > > > > > away are at 1 meg max well if you have the near users at 11 > megs > > > > > > > tying up the radio and the far uses cant connect at a slower > speed > > > > > > > > > > > for a better link / speed quality then the far users suffer? am > I > > > > > > > correct in my theory does that make any sense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So going forward we are going to have to plan some more sites > > > > > > > closer to the users having issues etc Has anyone else > experienced > > > > > > > this. I cant verify 100% that this is true due to the fact the > > > > > > > radios don't report what speed they are associated at? 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