128 bit encryption? -----Original Message----- From: Blazen Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else??
Okay we are using two Pac Wireless 90* H POL sectors each with 50ft of cable and 250mw amp on each one Motorola Canopy system for backhaul 5.7ghz (which by the way to the tower pulls a little over 4.3 megs!) All tied together with a single D-link switch that is working fine and is reading the right speed 10 meg 1/2 duplex. Yes we tried the 2 meg auto fall back on the client and it as suspected works good for the far clients but still we see problems when the closer users get on and download the net slows down for the further people. (only solution I have for that is putting up another tower closer to the further users) Even though they have GREAT signal we are talking 89% -100% RSSI and 85%-90% Link at the APPO from what the APPO reports. We have tried the clients associating to one mac AP address instead of roaming that did not seem to help (tried that when we had association problems ) I think the problem with the LAN happens to be when the unit sees interference possibly and loses association then does its watchdog timer reboot possibly in the middle of sending packets then when it tires to come back up it chokes? cause then I look at the statistics under Ethernet it says the send statistics is at 1??? and the client side receiving is at over a meg or more like the client is talking to the radio but the radio is not forwarding the packets.. Like I said HOT FRICKING BED here to may wisps just don't give a crap and start throwing up illegal stuff to try and cut thru the noise. One of the competitors systems I checked out the other day CLEARLY had a YDI 180* V sector ( I think it is 15db) with 5 FT of LMR 400 going to a 1 watt amp to an AP-1000 just blasting away in the valley. Yet this guy says ME of all people purposely am sending out signals across the valley trying to block their signal to just ONE of their customers to try and steal him away which they claimed? HAHAH I never even knew the customer he called me and wanted to change to a more reliable service and so far he has not been let down yet with our system.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Breiland, Derek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? I think you stated it best. "We are also in a hotbed of WISP activity around here that is not helping either." This statement alone is a reason not to use 802.11b. I would not have high expectations of the system if you are battling against multiple ISP's using 802.11b or even any proprietary 2.4Ghz system(s). No firmware in the world is ever going to fix that problem because 802.11b is 802.11b. It is highly susceptible to noise and interference because it is designed to listen to everything. "The equipment has to be dynamic enough to work in MANY environments" It will not happen with 802.11b. Just curious as to what antenna type you are using. Are you using sectors or omni's? Are you enabling the roaming function or are you "statically" associating the client to use a single AP? I do not use roaming. You never did reply as to whether or not you are disabling the auto-fallback either. Disable it on a client and force the connection to 2Mps and see if it helps - you have nothing to lose. I apologize if you have tried this already, just trying to help. I found during my initial testing before I had any customers on at all that if I was associated pings and simple browsing worked just fine, if I was to go to www.toast.net and do a performance test doing both text and image using toast.net as the host site, the traffic generated across the link was enough to kill the association. I would run the test while in the Simple Monitor of the client device. The link would clearly drop to zero - come back - drop to zero - come back. There were times when I did need to reset the client device to get it working again. I could internet browse all day long without a glitch. This would happen with 85% signal quality and good RSSI. Is it possible that if this is happening it is creating a buffer problem on the device (ethernet side) causing it to just lock up? -----Original Message----- From: Blazen Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? Derek, 1. All units had revisions prior to 1.0.08 and most still locked up some did not I left those that did we even swapped hardware to supposed NEW CHIP units with 1.0.07 then they too started to still lock up. 2. After testing with 1.0.08 on a couple clients (BETA TEST) they seemed to work fine so to further BETA test for SB as asked we loaded it on many more to test even further. 3. Now we have a problem with Ethernet locking up reverting to 1.0.07 fixes that but then the units lose association and then a truck roll. 4. ALL APPO's have 1.4j.8 Except the couple that are being used as CPE which locked up with older revisions and swapped to new hardware we upgraded those to Beta 14j.9 5. Out of curiosity I tried 1.4j.9 on the AP to see if that had any affect and it slowed the association ability on the app down to nothing almost. As far as settings go we have tried MANY various settings in the SB equipment and always reverted back to what work's best and ALL units have the same settings. Like I stated before I don't think the people that are having not as many or no problems have the same setups or the demand from the clients as we do. We are also in a hotbed of WISP activity around here that is not helping either. Thats why it was suggested MANY MANY MANY times back to have SB come and look at the setups that are still having problems IN the field so that they can get real world hands on experience to the problems we are seeing! Yet they chose to relay still on a few of use to test the firmware and we gave our honest feed back and we are still reporting some things we are seeing. What may work for me does not mean it will work for another person the equipment has to be dynamic enough to work in MANY environments and I think SB should focus on the harshest ones such as mine and a few others. If they can make it work here then it should work ANYWHERE.... Sending stuff to test Joe schmoo at ABC wireless who is in the middle of a desert or town that has ZERO noise or any congestion from other providers or having something set up in a clean test room is not the way to stress test a system. YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND TO SEE THE REAL ISSUES and learn how to be able to correct them. It seems that every time there is an issue a new firmware bandaid is put out to test and fixes one thing but has an affect on another. The units that are NOT having ANY problems are all units manufactured by the old assembly line which I do believe was another company why they changed I am sure they had their reasons but things have not been the same since.. I am off my soapbox now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Breiland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? If you are experiencing the problem with the same clients every time I would tend to believe it is a configuration issue - on the client side. If the clients are random that you see the problem with then it is either at the APO or it could be your observations are correct. What I do know is that there are many compnaies out there (many that are members of this site) that have that many clients ruinning that are not seeing that problem. Why are you not running 1.07 on the client and 1.4j.8 on the AP's? Were you experiencing some other large problem that you needed to upgrade? Beta is just that - beta. I do not think anyone should deploy, especially network wide, a beta version of firmware. The big question, is it always the same clients that experience the problem? If you can narrow that down it will tell you where to look. Also, are you ruuning the radios to do auto-fallback? If that is the case and the clients you experience trouble with have "lower signals" a lot of the delay of the re-association could be the rate negotiation. I firmly believe that this setting should be disabled on both sides and all connections forced to 2Mps for stability reasons. I have found that to be the best. Even to drop back to 1 Mps to provide stability is better than a non-working intermittent connection. Also, what level of encryption are you using if any? 128 bit to all clients is pretty intense and as far as I am concerned unneccesary. If a customer is doing transactions that are that sensitive to privacy it should be done thorugh HTTPS, VPN, or some other means of 128 bit security. I am using 64 bit across the radio link. As a provider it is all about best effort but still providing performance because that is what customers want. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone else?? > All my clietns are exaclty the same firmware etc. > > In my personal opinion is that the SB stuff just cant handle the amoutn of > clients and traffic I am passing plain and simple. I need to find something > that is going to handle the capacity and it is most likely going to be in > another manufacturer and or freq.. I dont have time trouble shoot on a daily > basis. I have become a real bitch lately and my family and friends and workes > have all noticed it. This happens when things just dont go right. > > > > > > Quoting Kevin Proctor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Are you SURE those clients have the latest firmware in them? As in, I > > have physically checked each one? > > > > What is different about those clients from the ones that work just fine? > > There has to be something different and it is probably in your > > configuration. > > > > You can use SimpleDeploy to dump the settings so you can look at them > > side by side. You can also use it to ensure that each and every radio > > has the exact same settings before it is ever given to the installer. > > > > Kevin B. Proctor > > Customer Service > > Internet and International Orders > > Electro Comm Distributing Inc > > 5015 Paris St > > Denver CO 90239 > > USA > > > > Phone: +1-303-371-8182 > > 800-525-0173 > > FAX: +1-303-371-8158 > > 800-423-8018 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blazen Wireless > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:41 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone > > else?? > > > > Just realized I didn't have the latest firmware on the APPO's I think > > for > > god reason I just loaded it on one APPO to test it and it seems the > > clients > > reasociate but VERY VERY VERY slow one every 10 seconds seems like? > > I had 27 now I am down to 18 associated clients and it is hung there?? I > > downgrade back to 1.0.08 and they reasociate in a second or two and I > > mean > > ALL my clients?? > > > > Whats causing such a delayed response?? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "S�mundur Johannsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone > > else?? > > > > > > > > > > > > APs problems > > > > > > Hi ,, I have this problem with my Aps > > > > > > The costumers simply disconnect from the AP, lets say I have 11 > > clients > > > connected on one AP. When I look on assosiated window there are only 7 > > on > > > the AP, but only when I reset the AP then I get 11 clients back. This > > > problem is randomly on the system and I cant say that I can trust > > Smart > > > Bridge products because of many software problems, looking into new AP > > > solutions, not Smart Bridges.. :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Have tryed new firmware no result for this problem,,,,, > > > > > > S�mundur Johannsson / eMax Iceland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Well I had have all the latest firmware on my units. I think if > > anything > > >> needs to be stress tested it is here in town I think at last count we > > >> had > > >> at LEAST 6 WISPS doing battle trying to get a piece of the pie and I > > am > > >> NOT going to let the beat me.. I may have to go to 5.7 gear pretty > > quick > > >> unless I can get this isolated and resolved. I spend ore and more of > > my > > >> day taking calls from clients trouble shooting and resting units etc. > > >> Thats all part of our commitment to them especially like today I > > don't > > >> have to answer my cell phone but I do I care about my clients like I > > >> would > > >> have liked my 1st WISP would have done for me but then again thats > > why I > > >> now have more customers then them and they are really pissed.. > > >> > > >> I will say it again customer service is CRUCIAL to keeping a wisp > > going > > >> no > > >> matter how tiring it is to you.. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Rudolph Worrell > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:30 PM > > >> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up Ethernet anyone > > >> else?? > > >> > > >> > > >> Looks like you guys are experiencing what I had a few weeks back > > when > > >> I > > >> lost my whole network and had to reset my APPO every time. > > >> > > >> I was not using the new firmware though. I also was using an APPT > > in > > >> CB > > >> mode to feed the APPO. I fixed it by using a separate APPO to link > > back > > >> to the APPT. I upgraded the firmware to the same version an it seems > > to > > >> be fine now. > > >> > > >> I also was doing changes when my APPO stopped associating with > > >> clients. > > >> Good Luck! > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Blazen Wireless > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 5:16 PM > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up ethernet > > anyone > > >> else?? > > >> > > >> > > >> Something else too now it appears not sure due to the firmware > > that > > >> some of the units are losing association to the APPO or the APPO is > > >> dropping clients I have 28 on this APPO and I have to reset it for 5 > > >> of the clients to reassociate? Its seems to be a little hotter today > > >> again it was cooling off. I would say its about 100% according to > > >> local weather forecasts.. Its been showing this symptom now for the > > >> past couple of days as it has been hotter.. > > >> > > >> I wish this was just all a bad dream... > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Bobby Bounds > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:38 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up ethernet > > anyone > > >> else?? > > >> > > >> > > >> YES, we have seen this behavior recently........the firmware is > > >> buggy and SB does not seem to know the meaning of regression > > >> testing, so they fix one thing only to have it break something else. > > >> We have wasted numerous hours in the last few weeks on installs > > >> where signal strength is great but IP traffic won't pass. We finally > > >> get it to work thru what seems to be magic. > > >> > > >> We have also seen problems on API, APPO and APPI's using the > > new > > >> firmware where the RSSI at the CPE is 90% but the unit won't > > >> associate. I've never seen this before. > > >> > > >> It sucks to be me. > > >> > > >> Bobby Bounds > > >> Airwave Internet, LLC > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Blazen Wireless > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 11:17 AM > > >> Subject: [smartBridges] Beta 1.0.08 locking up ethernet > > anyone > > >> else?? > > >> > > >> > > >> Has anyone else seen this on any of the ABO or ABI units? > > >> I have had a few now that have NO more problems with > > >> reassociation > > >> to the tower yet about 2 -3 times a week the Ethernet TRANSMIT > > >> side shuts down as far as the statistics show when you log into > > >> the radio. It reports 1 and if you look at the receive side it is > > >> in the hundreds of thousands of bytes.. > > >> > > >> If you simply software reboot the radio it comes back alive > > and > > >> traffic starts to pass and both sides increment transmit and > > >> receive for a few days then it locks up again. It almost seems > > >> like when it auto reboots it does not bring up the Ethernet all > > >> the way. I have downgraded to 1.0.07 to confirm that it is in the > > >> firmware. This customer has about 85% rssi and 90% link quality so > > >> I don't see how it would be interference. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Martin & Steve > > >> Blazen Wireless > > >> 909-326-5003 > > >> www.blazenwireless.com > > > > > > > > > S�mundur Johannsson Technician > > > eMax Wireless Internet > > > Hlidasmari 8 > > > 201 Kopavogur Iceland > > > Tel :(354) 5444454 > > > FAX :(354) 5444453 > > > www.emax.is > > > > > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > > > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > > > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > > smartBridges) > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > > > > S�mundur Johannsson Technician > > eMax Wireless Internet > > Hlidasmari 8 > > 201 Kopavogur Iceland > > Tel :(354) 5444454 > > FAX :(354) 5444453 > > www.emax.is > > > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges > > <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > Martin Moreno > Blazen Wireless > 909-326-5003 > www.blazenwireless.com > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
