Are you broadcasting your SSID?  Are you utilizing MAC authentication, WEP?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?


> Yes BUT ! Would it crash the micro chip? How would this be due to it being
> on the same fequency? If software runs unexpected data then it *should*
> handle it but unexpected data is the method used by attackers to break
into
> a system. You feed the input with things it is not programmed to handle
and
> it crashes the software, possibly causing code of your own chosing to be
> run. What you do is craft a program in machine code which will take
control
> of the microprocessor. You then force feed this into the input of the
device
> in the hope that the program counter will run off the rails over the stack
> where your code is. Then your code is in charge and you can do something
> like changing security on the device and locking out the owner. However
this
> all begins by feeding the device with data in an attempt to crash it. It's
> possible that they are at this stage. I can't see how microwaves would
> generate the type of data on the antenna to cause a crash. If we are
saying
> that the microwaves are simply blasting the who circuit board we must be
> talking massive power to get through the shielding. I have experience
> crashing microprocessors by holding a automobile ignition circuit sparking
> 20kv near bare micro board. This crashes it but watchdog usually corrects
if
> the chips are not physically damaged.
>
> My guess is that an attacker has run the micro into a loop. It all works
OK
> once it's reset. However watchdog can't fix it because the software seems
to
> still be running. A sanity check would be a good idea. So if the software
> becomes insne then you turn off interupts and run a tight loop. Watchdog
> will kick in and reset the micro. If watchdog is simply serviced on an
> interrupt it's not very effective. You need to run through a number of
> checks that it's still working before servicing the watchdog. It's hard to
> think of some good rules but clearly something is wrong when no traffic
> flows and nothing associates. It's a balance because you don't want
> unnessaary reboots.
>
> Wayland.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Hokenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
>
>
> > On a 700-watt microwave oven, there does not have to be much leakage to
> kill
> > the receiver--58dBm is a LOT.
> >
> > JH
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Curt Perrymman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> >
> >
> > > If a microwave is leaking badly enough to cause an AP to crash as you
> > > describe, you've got bigger problems than an AP going down - you're
> being
> > > cooked!  There are pretty strict standards regarding microwave leakage
> > that
> > > make it highly unlikely that a microwave would cause this unless the
AP
> is
> > > located in the kitchen immediately adjacent to the microwave.
> > >
> > > At 04:05 PM 11/21/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >David,
> > > >
> > > >Unfortunately no Mac Donnals near by. It was the whole AP which went
> > down!
> > > >I am concerned that a Microwave oven could affect it. Surely there
must
> > be
> > > >something wrong with it if it can crash an AP? I have been told that
> some
> > > >people can pick up Radio 4 on their fillings.
> > > >
> > > >Wayland.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "David Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:35 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Perhaps it was a nearby MacDonalds having the MacAttack??
> > > > >
> > > > > Microwave Ovens use the 2.4ghz range to cook food in them -
> therefore
> > it
> > > >is
> > > > > possible that a microwave can cause interference with Mr customer
> > surfing
> > > > > the readers digest website.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:20 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You have to be kidding me massively!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:21 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you mean that as it is definitley not the case or do you
mean
> > it as
> > > > > > "you
> > > > > > > have to be kidding me?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:15 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
Outdoor?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > surely not!
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:38 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
> Outdoor?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If is starts around the lunch hour is it possible that
their
> > is a
> > > > > > > > microwave
> > > > > > > > > that gets used around that time that is interfering?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
Outdoor?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nightmare for all WISPs
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Whilst monitoring with Simple NMS all my clients dropped
> > off.
> > > >The
> > > > > > > bottom
> > > > > > > > > > screen went red, except for my own locally connected
> > airBridge.
> > > >My
> > > > > > > > > airBridge
> > > > > > > > > > kept associating and disassociating. The APPO has been
> > working
> > > > > > > > unattended
> > > > > > > > > > for months. Now two days in a row it has broken at 11am
> > whilst I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > monitoring with Simple NMS. The quick fix was to gain
> access
> > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > > and power cycle the device from the mains plug.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Could this be some sort of attack?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Wayland.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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