Scott,

A bit closer. All this talk of ovens was on the wrong track. In fact the
airPoint had not crash. It had just kicked everybody off. It happened again
today when I was running simpleNMS again. I closed simpleNMS before I got
booted and went to simpleMonitor to airPoint. Clients list showed me I only
had half the clients with 3 popping up and vanishing. This makes me think
that the memory had been used up in the APPO. As soon as I did a software
reset from simpleMonitor they all came back on line again. I shall be very
carefull using simpleNMS in future.

See my message "simpleNMS serial killer"

Regards,
Wayland.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "shoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?


> A AP should not crash with "noise"  a aB CPE device will screw up, but an
> AP?  I don't "accept" this... there is something else going on..
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:59:15 -0000
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
>
> > Austin,
> >
> > Now you're talking. That sounds like a good tool to use.
> >
> > However so far no one has come up with a convincing reason to excuse an
> > APPO
> > locking up due to noise.
> >
> > Why would it require a reboot? Everyone seems to accept that a bit of
> > unexpected noise would crash one and require a site visit. I don't
> > accept
> > this.
> >
> > I don't care how noisy it is, unless the device actually burns out why
> > can''t it reset itself?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Wayland.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Austin H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> >
> >
> > > Late response, but I wanted to chime in. You don't even need a
> > spectrum
> > > analyzer, use stumbler and any 11b device in a laptop, watch the
> > noise
> > > floor/disassociation.
> > >
> > > Ive seen it happen when people accross the street use their
> > microwave.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayland Sothcott
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:46 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am suprized that an oven would affect specific channels. I am also
> > > suprized that it would crash the AP. This makes no sence to me.
> > Please
> > > explain your reasons (logic or experiences etc) for saying this
> > happens.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Wayland.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > >
> > >
> > > > It would have to have the same or even less leakage than a 2.4 GHz
> > radio -
> > > > which does not cook you.  I worked for a company that used wireless
> > > devices
> > > > in the warehouse.  The microwaves in the corporate location caused
> > > wireless
> > > > issues - really.  700 watt microwave leaking out 100mW would not be
> > much
> > > of
> > > > a surprise to me.  It is fixable by putting those AP's nearby top a
> > > > different channel.  The device almost always will not interfere
> > with
> > > > channels 1, 6, and 11.  It is will with 1 of the 3.
> > > >
> > > > Didn't your mother ever tell you not to stand near the microwave
> > while
> > it
> > > > was on?  That is a well known rule actually.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Curt Perrymman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:27 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If a microwave is leaking badly enough to cause an AP to crash as
> > you
> > > > > describe, you've got bigger problems than an AP going down -
> > you're
> > > being
> > > > > cooked!  There are pretty strict standards regarding microwave
> > leakage
> > > > that
> > > > > make it highly unlikely that a microwave would cause this unless
> > the
> > AP
> > > is
> > > > > located in the kitchen immediately adjacent to the microwave.
> > > > >
> > > > > At 04:05 PM 11/21/2003 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >David,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Unfortunately no Mac Donnals near by. It was the whole AP which
> > went
> > > > down!
> > > > > >I am concerned that a Microwave oven could affect it. Surely
> > there
> > must
> > > > be
> > > > > >something wrong with it if it can crash an AP? I have been told
> > that
> > > some
> > > > > >people can pick up Radio 4 on their fillings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Wayland.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "David Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:35 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps it was a nearby MacDonalds having the MacAttack??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Microwave Ovens use the 2.4ghz range to cook food in them -
> > > therefore
> > > > it
> > > > > >is
> > > > > > > possible that a microwave can cause interference with Mr
> > customer
> > > > surfing
> > > > > > > the readers digest website.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:20 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
> > Outdoor?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You have to be kidding me massively!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:21 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
> > Outdoor?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you mean that as it is definitley not the case or do
> > you
> > mean
> > > > it as
> > > > > > > > "you
> > > > > > > > > have to be kidding me?"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:15 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
> > Outdoor?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > surely not!
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:38 PM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
> > > Outdoor?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If is starts around the lunch hour is it possible
> > that
> > their
> > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > microwave
> > > > > > > > > > > that gets used around that time that is interfering?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:00 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO
> > Outdoor?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nightmare for all WISPs
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Whilst monitoring with Simple NMS all my clients
> > dropped
> > > > off.
> > > > > >The
> > > > > > > > > bottom
> > > > > > > > > > > > screen went red, except for my own locally
> > connected
> > > > airBridge.
> > > > > >My
> > > > > > > > > > > airBridge
> > > > > > > > > > > > kept associating and disassociating. The APPO has
> > been
> > > > working
> > > > > > > > > > unattended
> > > > > > > > > > > > for months. Now two days in a row it has broken at
> > 11am
> > > > whilst I
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > > > monitoring with Simple NMS. The quick fix was to
> > gain
> > > access
> > > > to
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > building
> > > > > > > > > > > > and power cycle the device from the mains plug.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Could this be some sort of attack?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wayland.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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