Ditto.....
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From: Charles
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Breaking...

But Jackie you have to have some sort of standard to go by.  I'm not advocating that it's ok for someone to drug a gal and rape her, you know I'm not.  But if there isn't some sort of standard then rape will never be prosecutable.  Either that or anyone can get prosecuted for a serious crime because he makes a girl mad.  That's why the recent law passed in one state that says a woman can withdraw consent even while the act is being committed and if he doesn't stop the thrust *immediately* he's raped her is such a dangerous law.
 
There has to be some sort of acknowledgement that the guy in question should at least have the right to expect a clear no.  In the case of drugging someone that's not consensual in any manner.  In this case both parties admit consent.  She even told the detective that he stopped when she made it clear. 
 
Charles Mims
 
 


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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 11:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Breaking...

In a message dated 10/16/2003 6:56:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

No, but it does have bearing on whether he raped her or not.  If she herself doesn't remember if she was clear in saying no, then that matters don't you think?  What if all she said to him was "Maybe we shouldn't do this", is that clearly no? 



its not a yes.  how about a rape victim whos been drugged or a rape victim whos drank too much or one whos mouth is covered where they cant say no  does that make it less of a rape because they couldnt say no?


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