I have a 50' piece of yellow highstart form Hobby Lobby and 50'of winch line,I bungee launch a 1/4 scale 11 lb.ASH26 out over the slope were we fly(with the help of a couple of buddies)I get 100 to 200 ft.launches out over the edge of the slope.This is plenty enough height to come back around and land if theres no lift.I have a piece of Holliday Black highstart tubing that is 5/8"O.D. with a 3/16 I.D.that I ordered at the same time I got the Hobby Lobby tubing.The Holliday highstart is twice as strong,but takes a lot more energy to pull back.It is great quality stuff though.I would be willing to sell it for $25 plus shipping if anyone would be interested in it.It is brand new.I tryed to use it one time.It is super strong and creates super energy.You would need very strong wings.Michael Severt Michael Severt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]