so what does a F3J ??? handtow event require? what is the setup? anyone tried this? I have had and have been the towee of many handlaunch kits, and it works great. (especially while hanging out with little kids) I have also been witness to large 3 and 4 meter planes being towed up by car for X country flights near Sacramento, CA. Any other alternative towing systems or ideas? Dean (Still Mike's friend in Eureka) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]