Guys, I keep hearing people complain about what RES has become with all the super ships and what it was envisioned as when it was first proposed. If it was going to be just for woody planes then the rules should have stated that. If it was to be a builders class the rules should have stated that. People did what is natural, they optimized their planes to best meet the tasks and stay within the rules as they were written. I seem to remember that one of the key ideas behind the class was to get designers to start engineering new RES Designs. I think in that vain, the class has succeeded greatly. Mark Drela made it easy for the builder out there to compete with any and all of the Super Ships with his designs that he freely posted on the web for anyone to use and to build. His planes can be built every bit as cheap as most of the RES Kits out there can be. The Bubble Dancer is every bit as competitive as an AVA or a Topaz so I guess I do not see where the complaint lies. Hell to get a new super competitive DLG anymore one can easily tie up enough cash to buy a decent used UNL ship. To hear the DLG guys talk, the price of admission into the competition class is not killing the class. From all indications if the numbers they are quoting are correct it is the fastest growing class of all. If you really want to challenge your thermalling skills (which is the only real argument the 2M guys give) then fly HLG/DLG planes. You can learn more in an afternoon about soaring with DLG than in a month of Sundays flying an UNL or 2M off a full winch launch. I became a much better pilot overall after I started flying HLG/DLG. I guess what the DLG guys ought to do get the NATS committee to listen to them about the making DLG a two day event is to hold a two day contest here in the Midwest and see just how many people from each coast actually make it out to the event. Talk is cheap, when it comes to saying you come if there are two days of flying to be had. Hold a contest and see if they actually come in mass as they say they will. I am sure you could schedule a time to use the AMA National Flying Site to hold the event. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS
---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am unsure if this is response to an old post, but if it is not and old > post, then: > > > Darwin, good proposal for thought! > > After reading Darwin’s comment, I have to agree with his suggestion to > combine the modern RES class with Open. Back when Visalia first > proposed an RES class, before the AVA and its equivalents, RES was > touted by many to be the builder class as well as the partially the > woody-nostalgia class. Those of us that were not as quick with our > thumbs, or relished a somewhat less stressful class, welcomed it. The > class is like other classes in the AMA schedule, it represents a way for > upcoming pilots to have fun, as well as permit older or less competitive > pilots to still participate. But as in nearly all types of RC soaring, > technology breeds advancement, design, and this necessitates advanced > composites, and we get to the point where to be competitive, at least in > some fashion, you have to have deep pockets. Obviously, there are those > of us who still build, only with CF now rather than wood, but the > majority of competitors nowadays just buy the best they can afford. > Really, to be competitive, just buy a known ship and fly. > > However, Darwin, how about bringing back a strict “builder of the > model” rule event? What was a “true modeler” anyway? This opens > it all up to variety, yet might retain the idea and some excitement. > None of this glue servos in, trim and fly stuff, but perhaps require the > builder to bring the mold to show. Wood, well, wood is wood, but still > not prebuilt wood like an AVA. Those who obviously build composites > from mold would probably want to be in the Open class anyway, but those > who want to build, experiment and enjoy might find an event not > something that really is being placed on the back burner of a contest. > We encourage differences between juniors, seniors and open in the AMA, > but is there really a difference there either? Buy a hot ship and place > it in the hands of a upcoming junior and he or she becomes a major > contender. We do not have separate events, that lead up to the top, > like dirt cars, sprint cars, Bush series, then NASCAR, probably because > of numbers. On the other hand, we do have a “grey cup” for those of > us not as quick with our thumbs, or sight. What is really the intent > here, an old RES equivalent? > I might also like to ask why so many classes? Is it for money making > purposes of the clubs, or is it to increase the pilot’s flying > opportunities if they travel? Recent posts here and in other groups > mention that some contests will not become prominent until they are of > sufficient day duration and flying opportunities to make them > attractive. For myself, I find that DLG/HLG offer me the opportunity to > fly much more than any of the other TD events. These contests off more > of other items as well. > > > OK, for all those who expect this, or disagree, or even think I am > complaining, back to my regular Thorazine treatments. ;-) > > Chris Adams > > > > > From Darwin: > Come on guys, lay off 2 Meter. I'll bet most have not even given it a > serious try. If you did, I believe you'd like the challenge. It will > improve all aspects of your flying. > > I remember years ago when RES was envisioned. It was supposed to be a > simple class with simple airplanes for those not interested in > spending big $$$ on Open class planes. Well look what happened. It > actually became a 3 channel Open class, called RES. For the most part, > you have to have the high dollar RES moldie to be competitive. As a > result, we had to add another Class, Woody. This is a true modelers > Class. > > You want a solution, dump RES and combine it with Open. After all, > they are 3 channel Open class planes, launch as high and can range out > quite far. The only real difference is landing. I see the better RES > guys whooping the Open class guys anyway, so lump them all together. > > Just some thoughts. Now, my second cup of coffee!!! > > Darwin N. Barrie > Chandler AZ > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: testing > > From: Darwin Barrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Sun, July 27, 2008 11:17 am > > To: Jeff Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <Soaring@airage.com> > > The tests are going through but my post regarding 2 Meter must be > > being blocked for some reason. The post is nothing in the scheme of > > things. I'm getting pissed. > > Darwin N. Barrie > > Chandler AZOn Jul 27, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Jeff Reid wrote: > > >> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:24:01 -0700 > > >> From: Darwin Barrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: Soaring@airage.com > > >> Subject: Testing > > >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> I've attempted 2 posts over the past couple of days and they > > >> haven't posted. What's up? > > > > > > I've had the same issue. I've posted a few times and nwever see the > > > posts show up. I'm receiving the archived version if this makes any > > > difference. > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send > > > "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe > > > messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > > > Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > > > generally NOT in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and > > "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and > > unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. > > Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT > > in text format > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. 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