There is a Hera, Starlite, Tango, etc.. that is the same molded F3J sailplane with at least three different names. And then there are two completely different molded F3J sailplanes named the Stork. Who is kidding who? 8-) Jim Downers Grove, IL ICQ 6997780 Visit my R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]