In a message dated 9/25/00 1:14:53 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As rule 10.2.2.e in the AMA Competition Regulations states, "The official timer shall not provide a countdown during the last 10 seconds of the flight ( a helper should be used). The manner of countdown should be established prior to takeoff by the contestant." >> I think the point that some people are missing is that official timers are not provided in most contests. Your helper/caller is simply counting down your flight, and for convenience the time on his watch is usually used as your official time too. If an official timer was provided, as in the case of the F3B finals for instance, he would do nothing but keep the official time while your helper/caller counted down your flight. Since that official timer is not provided, that non-existent person is the one who cannot count down the time. Lenny Keer RMSA, Colorado getting ready to count down at Visalia! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]