I find that using one wing as the stick is pretty competitive. -- Dick Barker Seattle, WA - The Old Fart Glider Flyer - http://www.eskimo.com/~dickb/UpLink.html Rick wrote: >Right after making my initial negative post, it occured to me that perhaps >you could toss a competition grade HLG with a stick..... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]