One more question Ryan if I may. Have you ever shared a thermal while
flying your little wing with one of the new generation high tech gliders
such as a Logic or one of the knock off versions like a Spectre?
If so how did it do?
thanks,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
> I don't know much about the airfoil. I was able to get the 45-50 second
> dead times from the super light one. On my more typical Chinooks I
> generally had 35-40 seconds dead air. I think a better pilot than I could
> perhaps even get better dead air times. With a good light Chinook you
> should definitely be getting at least 40 seconds dead. For me, I had to
> keep moving the CG back gradually, and I increased the dead air time a
> second here or there. Just like the trimming article says! To get the 50
> second dead air time with the light one I also practiced a good consistent
> launch, a good consistent transition and smooth flying on calm evenings.
I
> would warm up for a few minutes and then every flight would be between 45
> and 50 seconds, very consistent.
>
> Oh, and here is another cool little hint. Don't throw away the foam core
> "shucks" when you are done. You can use the lower 2 shucks to make a nice
> wing carrier. You can tape them together, so that you have a sandwich of
> shuck, wing, wing, shuck. After all this you can slide your tail between
> the two wing halves, and you are ready to go! Fits nice in the carry on.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
> "Mike Carris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/27/2000 09:49:02 PM
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan D Woebkenberg/Tivoli Systems@Tivoli Systems
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
>
>
>
>
> Hmm....
> 50 sec dead air times with a 34" glider of any configuration seems
> amazing?
> Maybe I should try one of these. Do you know the airfoils, I would like
to
> build one.
>
> Mike
>
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> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:47 AM
> Subject: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
>
>
> > Mr. Resin Head,
> >
> > Not knowing exactly what type of environment you intend to fly these
> flying
> > wing HLGs in (Thermal for fun, Thermal for competition, slope for fun,
> > etc.), it is hard to make a good recommendation, however, I like
everyone
> > else in this world, it seems, will freely give my advice. ;-)
> >
> > The only flying wings I have ever owned and flown are the ones from
> Thermal
> > Gromit Works (www.tgworks.com). I believe Dick mentioned them in
another
> > reply. I have found these hand launched flying wings great fun. The
> > reasons are as follows:
> >
> > They are compact. I took one of them to Puerto Rico and on a day trip
to
> > San Jose. It is simple to fit one or more in your carry on luggage, and
> > still have room for clothing and all of your radio gear. I live in
> > Indiana, so having a compact machine that I can take to enjoy
> > thermaling/sloping in far off lands is a cool thing. They are also so
> > small that you barley notice leaving them in your car for the summer,
and
> > this is good for honing pilot skills. I built 3 Chinooks and practiced
4
> > days a week (sometimes at lunch and in the evenings) for most of the
> spring
> > and summer. When you own a Chinook or a Herring, there is never an
> excuse
> > for being caught with free time on a nice day and not having a glider
> > around. I flew a Chinook as recently as Friday, when there was a break
> in
> > the rainy nasty weather we have had in Indiana recently from my parents
> > back yard.
> >
> > They are cheap. At like 70 bucks a pop (for complete hardware, the
> > covering material, and the coloring markers) and plenty of availability
> (no
> > need to place your order and then wait for a few months, like you might
> > have to do with the prefab composite ships that require so much manual
> > labor by their manufactures) I could build 3 ships quickly. With 3 of
> the
> > same ships, I quickly learned what differences in trim make (lateral
> > balance, CG, control throws, etc.) that might have caused me problems
> > before that I could never quite figure out. I learned that if you put
> the
> > gear as far forward as possible and use the lightest wood for the tail
> you
> > can fly a Chinook at 4.5 ounces. A 4.5 ounce Chinook really hangs. I
> > could pretty consistently get 45-50 second dead air times with the light
> > Chinook. Dead air times of 30-40 seconds with a 5.5 ounce Chinook is
> more
> > realistic. I also tried out that trimming article by Bryan somebody (it
> > has been posted several times) and found that once I knew where I wanted
> my
> > CG, I had all 3 Chinooks flying well.
> >
> > They thermal well. It might be because of all the extra stick time, but
I
> > was more successful at getting good flights with the Chinooks than I had
> > been with my previous hlgs (Wizard and Wizard Light, Monarch D,
> Chrysalis).
> > In my experience, the best conditions to thermal the Chinooks in is low
> > wind. They also do best in tight strong thermals. You can really crank
> > these little guys, and I have out climbed more conventional HLGs in
tight
> > lift. In a given lunch practice session of 45 minutes, I generally
would
> > have plenty of 2 and 3 minute flights and usually a 5+. This in a field
> > that was not the worlds best but was close to where I work.
> >
> > They launch high. The tip launched sidearm (in this case more of an
> > underarm) launch is way cool. Launch consistency is high, and you don't
> > need to be crazy strong or coordinated to get good launches. I can
> easily
> > launch the Chinook to similar altitude as the better overarm launchers.
> I
> > was not able to do this when I flew the traditional javelin style
> launches
> > ships.
> >
> > They are durable. They really take a beating. And after they get a bit
> > banged up, you can give them a "new coat of paint" by simply taking the
> > Monocote Iron to them to get rid of the wrinkles. You would be suprised
> > how much better they fly after you perform this routine maintenance
> >
> > Good luck with your quest for a hand launch flying wing, and I hope this
> > helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan
> >
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