Many times. I flew Chinooks out at the IHLGF in Poway. In the relatively
rare case of a really strong tight thermal, I found I could out climb the
bigger ships. In strong tight lift, you can really crank the Chinook
around and climb fast.
In the sometimes typical light spotty lift, the more conventional ships
tended to do better than I. This may be due to my piloting skills, as I
have never done exceptionally well in light lift.
In your standard thermal, it is sort of a toss up. I can launch the
Chinooks pretty high, so if somebody is low in a good thermal, I will be
above them. However, I have never been extremely successful at climb outs
when I was low (25 feet or less). Extending the flight by 30 seconds,
sure, but climb outs have been tough unless the lift is good.
If you want to stay up as long as possible, and there is not a crazy
thermal, the same advice holds for this ship as others, keep her level and
hands off the sticks.
Also, I think Mr. Stackhouse had a good point in his e-mail. You have to
look at all aspects of a design to evaluate it's value. Just sheer hang
time alone, the Logic or whatever high performance beast will win out over
the Chinook (from the same altitude for sure). However, the other design
choices that make up the Chin have always made this ship a favorite of
mine. I could never launch a Monarch or what not half as high as I could
get the Chinooks to go, not to mention the durability (yes, I have had
midairs with composite HLGs, there is usually no damage to the other plane
due to the low mass density of the Chin. I liken it to getting hit by a
Frisbee) and ease of transport.
Ryan
"Mike Carris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/29/2000 12:06:10 AM
To: Ryan D Woebkenberg/Tivoli Systems@Tivoli Systems
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
One more question Ryan if I may. Have you ever shared a thermal while
flying your little wing with one of the new generation high tech gliders
such as a Logic or one of the knock off versions like a Spectre?
If so how did it do?
thanks,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
> I don't know much about the airfoil. I was able to get the 45-50 second
> dead times from the super light one. On my more typical Chinooks I
> generally had 35-40 seconds dead air. I think a better pilot than I
could
> perhaps even get better dead air times. With a good light Chinook you
> should definitely be getting at least 40 seconds dead. For me, I had to
> keep moving the CG back gradually, and I increased the dead air time a
> second here or there. Just like the trimming article says! To get the
50
> second dead air time with the light one I also practiced a good
consistent
> launch, a good consistent transition and smooth flying on calm evenings.
I
> would warm up for a few minutes and then every flight would be between 45
> and 50 seconds, very consistent.
>
> Oh, and here is another cool little hint. Don't throw away the foam core
> "shucks" when you are done. You can use the lower 2 shucks to make a
nice
> wing carrier. You can tape them together, so that you have a sandwich of
> shuck, wing, wing, shuck. After all this you can slide your tail between
> the two wing halves, and you are ready to go! Fits nice in the carry on.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ryan
>
>
> "Mike Carris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 11/27/2000 09:49:02 PM
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ryan D Woebkenberg/Tivoli Systems@Tivoli
Systems
> cc:
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
>
>
>
>
> Hmm....
> 50 sec dead air times with a 34" glider of any configuration seems
> amazing?
> Maybe I should try one of these. Do you know the airfoils, I would like
to
> build one.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:47 AM
> Subject: [RCSE] HLG in the form of flying wings
>
>
> > Mr. Resin Head,
> >
> > Not knowing exactly what type of environment you intend to fly these
> flying
> > wing HLGs in (Thermal for fun, Thermal for competition, slope for fun,
> > etc.), it is hard to make a good recommendation, however, I like
everyone
> > else in this world, it seems, will freely give my advice. ;-)
> >
> > The only flying wings I have ever owned and flown are the ones from
> Thermal
> > Gromit Works (www.tgworks.com). I believe Dick mentioned them in
another
> > reply. I have found these hand launched flying wings great fun. The
> > reasons are as follows:
> >
> > They are compact. I took one of them to Puerto Rico and on a day trip
to
> > San Jose. It is simple to fit one or more in your carry on luggage,
and
> > still have room for clothing and all of your radio gear. I live in
> > Indiana, so having a compact machine that I can take to enjoy
> > thermaling/sloping in far off lands is a cool thing. They are also so
> > small that you barley notice leaving them in your car for the summer,
and
> > this is good for honing pilot skills. I built 3 Chinooks and practiced
4
> > days a week (sometimes at lunch and in the evenings) for most of the
> spring
> > and summer. When you own a Chinook or a Herring, there is never an
> excuse
> > for being caught with free time on a nice day and not having a glider
> > around. I flew a Chinook as recently as Friday, when there was a break
> in
> > the rainy nasty weather we have had in Indiana recently from my parents
> > back yard.
> >
> > They are cheap. At like 70 bucks a pop (for complete hardware, the
> > covering material, and the coloring markers) and plenty of availability
> (no
> > need to place your order and then wait for a few months, like you might
> > have to do with the prefab composite ships that require so much manual
> > labor by their manufactures) I could build 3 ships quickly. With 3 of
> the
> > same ships, I quickly learned what differences in trim make (lateral
> > balance, CG, control throws, etc.) that might have caused me problems
> > before that I could never quite figure out. I learned that if you put
> the
> > gear as far forward as possible and use the lightest wood for the tail
> you
> > can fly a Chinook at 4.5 ounces. A 4.5 ounce Chinook really hangs. I
> > could pretty consistently get 45-50 second dead air times with the
light
> > Chinook. Dead air times of 30-40 seconds with a 5.5 ounce Chinook is
> more
> > realistic. I also tried out that trimming article by Bryan somebody
(it
> > has been posted several times) and found that once I knew where I
wanted
> my
> > CG, I had all 3 Chinooks flying well.
> >
> > They thermal well. It might be because of all the extra stick time, but
I
> > was more successful at getting good flights with the Chinooks than I
had
> > been with my previous hlgs (Wizard and Wizard Light, Monarch D,
> Chrysalis).
> > In my experience, the best conditions to thermal the Chinooks in is low
> > wind. They also do best in tight strong thermals. You can really
crank
> > these little guys, and I have out climbed more conventional HLGs in
tight
> > lift. In a given lunch practice session of 45 minutes, I generally
would
> > have plenty of 2 and 3 minute flights and usually a 5+. This in a
field
> > that was not the worlds best but was close to where I work.
> >
> > They launch high. The tip launched sidearm (in this case more of an
> > underarm) launch is way cool. Launch consistency is high, and you
don't
> > need to be crazy strong or coordinated to get good launches. I can
> easily
> > launch the Chinook to similar altitude as the better overarm launchers.
> I
> > was not able to do this when I flew the traditional javelin style
> launches
> > ships.
> >
> > They are durable. They really take a beating. And after they get a
bit
> > banged up, you can give them a "new coat of paint" by simply taking the
> > Monocote Iron to them to get rid of the wrinkles. You would be
suprised
> > how much better they fly after you perform this routine maintenance
> >
> > Good luck with your quest for a hand launch flying wing, and I hope
this
> > helps.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ryan
> >
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