As noted earlier, I had lost a gimbal stick on my 8103 radio a week or so ago. No one contacted me from my note here, and I had looked at the Horizon Hobbies webpage not finding a standard length (long yes) replacement stick. Today I talked to a guy in service there and he is sending out one for no charge to me. Thanks Horizon Hobbies for the little things! Marc Gellart RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]