Rick,
As far as I understand, and a lot of this is from the FAI rules also, is
that it would not be a zero unless it is totally gone from the plane. That
means laying in another place.
FAI rules (F3b an F3j) say no shed parts EXCEPT on landing (I
think...they are confusing :). The goal there is to prevent things like
water ballast, but does not worry about minor issues like the nosecone
coming off in a bad landing (or even worse, a broken plane).
I'd say that as long as the plane is still inside the nosecone, then it
is not "shed". If it is separated totally, then it is shed. If not, then
you are debating the term "loose" so say 1/2 a canopy comes off, or a tail
lays loose, or even a wing bolt fails. All could result in a part departing
the plane once it is picked up, but at that time they are in contact.
Personally I would not complain about it.
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Brown and Jill Wiest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 7:36 PM
Subject: [RCSE] Landing Points and Slip-On Nosecones
> All,
>
> Just want to get some opinions on the rules for contests. Saw this one
> happen over the weekend at a contest. Didn't matter one way or the other
> in the end because the flyer didn't place.
>
> While landing, the flyer's plane hit the ground, bounced back just a
> bit and the slip-on nosecone came loose. Not completely off though. The
> plane's fuse was still setting with its nose inside the slip-on nose
> cone but very apparent that it had come loose, at least a couple of
> inches. It was a Mantis, which have pretty short nose cones, so it was
> very near to being off. If the plane had been picked up the nose cone
> would have stayed laying on the ground.
> The flyer and his timer looked at it, made some muffled remarks about
> it still being on, then grabbed the measuing stick and took whatever
> landing points measured from the end of the nose cone. Which by the way,
> was actually closer to the tape now, than if it were to have been firmly
> attached to the fuse.
>
> This happened to me many years ago and I atomatically took a zero. My
> timer was in the process of moving to take a measurment for pints nad I
> told them that it was a zero and had to explain that because the
> nosecone had come loose, even though not completely off, it was a shed
> part. When I questioned another more seasoned flyer he agreed that it
> should have been no landing points. This lead to me taping on my slip-on
> nose cone whenever I flew that plane in a contest after that incident.
>
> So did I take a zero, so many years ago, when I should have gotten some
> landing points. Or when this happens is it rightfully a ZERO!
>
> Also for future reference, a friend had ask about protesting someone
> for landing on the wrong tape and then taking landing points for it.
> Knowing that this is wrong, his question was did you need to get the
> CD's attention and lodge a protest right away or could it be done at the
> end of the contest.
> His opinion was that if it did not matter at the end then why rock the
> boat. In other words if the offending flyer did not take an award away
> from some other deserving person then why bother and maybe make an
> enemy.
>
> Later,
> RB
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