Bravo Ed!!!! Also keep in mind that most often, many builders would often re-engineer some of the kits "back then" in order to introduce some structural improvement. Were these planes banned from flying back then? Obviously not. Case in point. Many guys modfied the Hobie Hawk by adding a dorsal fin. Never kept them from flying in the events back then. They were never banned from flying either.
The main goal of Nostalgia is to keep them flying. Adding improvements to keep them flying is most necessary. And, you are right, the other goal is to have fun. Kurt -----Original Message----- From: Ed Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sep 14, 2003 5:49 PM To: Jack Womack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Legionair Questions The idea that rules for Nostalgia class would be enforced at the level that Jack Iafret states seems quite silly. Isn't the idea of a Nostalgia class to bring fun to those fliers that appreciate the older STYLED aircraft and like a more relaxed flying experience? It seems that all hobbies have those that like making and enforcing rules just a little too much. What possible difference could a boom made from aluminum, fiberglass or carbon make. I remember going to a vintage car club meeting where photos of beautifully restored cars were being shown. There was a small group of members who were critical of a particular car because the bolts used under the hood were not the exact ones used in the year that car was produced. Another car was down graded by these same fellows because the color of the car was slightly off from the color charts for that year. I remember thinking these guys are way too serious. Here were these beautiful 1930's vintage cars and instead of appreciating seeing them restored and being driven they were put off by these small "inaccuracies". Jack, you may be the keeper of the rules but I have a feeling that some day someone might just tell you to keep your set of rules. Frame them, have them embroidered on your pillow case or have the rules painted on your walls. But for me and a lot of other guys like me we'll build the re-introduced Legionair and other designs with some updates that make a great model even better. We'll have our own NOSTALGIA class. After all Jack, the idea is to have fun. Right? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Womack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Legionair Questions > I guess as a CD, those written rules are there for > interpretation. The way I interpret them, the carbon > boom would be no different than adding carbon to a > spar, or replacing the spar system, or changing the > joiner system and subsequently having to change the > dihedral angle. The spirit of these rules says to me > that as long as the outline, airfoils, and basic > flavor of the aircraft aren't altered, that such mods > are welcome. If it's that strict, why not just make it > strictly as designed with absolutely no structural > alterations allowed, and let it go at that. That would > forgo any arguments...unless of course the model is > covered in opaque Monokote... By the way, Texas heat > isn't good for most epoxy systems, so my boom would be > painted white. How would you know if it's carbon or > aluminum? > > Jack Womack > > --- Jack Iafret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For it to be truly Nostalgia legal the boom would > > have to be the same as the > > original. The rules state that the basic building > > materials must be same as > > the original. > > > > Jack Iafret > > "Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wes Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack Womack" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 12:25 AM > > Subject: [RCSE] Legionair Questions > > > > > > > Jack, > > > > > > Thanks for all the good information on the > > Legionair. I do have a few more > > > questions though. First you mentioned that your > > 100 is a floater with > > > attitude. Could you please clarify what kind of > > attitude this sailplane > > has? > > > Jim Early mentioned that the Legionair is fast. > > Does it handle poorly at > > > slower airspeeds? I am also concerned about the > > aluminum boom. Does this > > > boom hold up in rough landings? Would it be better > > to go to a fiberglass > > or > > > carbon fiber boom? Lastly, is the Legionair > > nostalgia legal? > > > > > > Right now, the Legionair is number one on my list > > of possible kits to > > build > > > with the Viking coming in a very close second. Do > > you have any idea when > > Ray > > > Hayes will have the Legionair ready for release? > > This is a rather far > > > fetched question, but what would you expect the > > kits to sale for? > > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > Wes Gibson > > > AMA #607029 > > > LSF #7533 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jack Womack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Wes Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: [RCSE] Question for any RES, > > Nostalgia and Woodcrafter > > > pilotsout there > > > > > > > > > > Wes, > > > > > > > > There's very few differences in the Legionair > > 140, > > > > 100, and 132. They all use the same set of tip > > ribs > > > > with different sweep and rib spacing, and the > > main > > > > panels are basically the same except for the > > number of > > > > ribs and spacing. The 140 used a 3/4" aluminum > > boom, > > > > while the other 2 used a 1/2" boom. The tail > > design > > > > was specific to each due to differing wing > > areas. The > > > > area for the 140 is 1325 sq. in. with about a 64 > > oz. > > > > target weight. The 132 had about 1250 sq.in. and > > the > > > > 100 had about 985 sq. in. I am guessing at the > > 132 as > > > > I didn't go through my plans collection yet. My > > 100 > > > > inch Legionair weighs 39 oz. and is a floater > > with an > > > > attitude. You can see my Legionairs on the > > Skybench > > > > site. > > > > > > > > The Grand Esprit is a model from the same era > > and > > > > quite a good one at that. I am building another > > one > > > > soon. Go to the Dreamcatcher website and look in > > short > > > > kits for the Grand Esprit. The carbon boom is a > > nice > > > > touch. I built one and, as I said, am building > > > > another, soon. > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > Jack Womack > > > > Conroe, Texas > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release > > Date: 9/11/03 > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane > > News. Send "subscribe" > > and "unsubscribe" requests to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > > text only format with > > MIME turned off. > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane > > News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests > > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > > text only format with MIME turned off. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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