Tom, (Okay I bite, and go out on a limb (or several). I am a total utter newbie, never even been to Utah much less Soar Utah)
I think that Soar Utah needs to decide what "it is". There is no shame in saying we are "Scale Soar Utah" and limit everything to scale. Period. There are other fly-ins in the U.K. for example that are scale only. Is this land public? Could anyone wanting to organize an all comers fun fly do so? Just as important: What do the people who volunteer their valuable time to organize and run the event want? What in their heart of hearts did they envision? It is very very selfish for anyone outside that group to decide what is 'fair' or not. Let them get their own venue if so motivated. If Soar Utah is intended for scale like soaring, then everyone is welcome and can fly whenever they like as long as they fly in a 'scale like fashion'. I don't know any wing's that fly in a scale like fashion unless B-2s. Nor do I know any scale like sailplanes deisgned for air to air combat. If it were me, and foamies and others were going to be allowed I would make all foamie 'wings' pilot but some sort of insurance. Just like cars. There. Do you really _WANT_ to fly in the same airspace glass slippers that bad? Fine. Buy insurance. Put up or shut up. I would put in the rules that foamies colliding with other non-foamies are liable for reparations _regardless_ of 'who is at fault'. Period. Foamies should be assumed guilty unless otherwise proven by several witnesses. Otherwise I would change the name to 'Scale Soaring Over Utah' and decide there and then the event is a scale event (foamies scales or otherwise). Flying will be limited to 'scale like soaring'. That is soaring as would be done by real sailplanes (which AFAIK do not fly like Zagis). If I may add, there are enough PSS venues and enough people interested in PSS that "Scale Soaring Utah" could be limited to scale +sailplanes+ and not cause anyone undue hardship. Or PSS could be on a separate ridge/hill. Many PSS pilots don't want to trash their planes either. Frankly the best thing to do is to organize "Scale Soaring Over Utah", and stop making _your_ event (it is your event) an "all comer" event. Let someone else deal with that. I enjoy foamies. I enjoy them a lot! My first R/C plane last August was a DAW TG-3. I still fly it. But I'd be sick if my 'invincibility' trashed one of Chris Gold's (for example) masterpieces. But I bet many people now days would not. My two cents. Jeff ===== --------------------------------------- Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky La Habra Heights, California (Kahleefornya) "What wretched scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch?" - W.C. Fields __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.