Re: [RCSE] Contest/gathering/format

[Jeff Steifel]

I can tell you that it WOULD make a difference. 2 years ago when JW came 
to town (love the sound of that)... we were in a round where both of us 
made probably 5 minutes.. The air had gotten really cold in the middle 
of the rounds.... Heavy Overcast... it cleared ... We wound up with 
1000s or close to it.. but it would have changed the order heavily.. 
since the earlier groups had great air In Muncie the air can change that 
drastically... The air comes from town and overbuilds... So you are left 
with some real big sink cycles... MOM normalizes that.  DP has said the 
air in Muncie is harder than CA. He said it is a landing contest usually 
in Visalia.. While it is usually a flying contest in Muncie.. The last 
round this past year was the same... The earlier groups had fantastic 
air, and the last 2 or 3 had nothing. Or some had some serious rain.... 
MOM works. And Muncie can challenge even the Westerners...

As far as 2 Meters against open ships,it might not be that fair a game. 
In questionable air an open might be expected to do 6 minutes while a 2 
meter 4-5 minutes Wingspan matters... So a guy would be hard pressed to 
score a 1000 in a group where only 1 or 2 guys are flying 2 meters... 
Let's keep it fair. I wouldn't mind seeing 2 meter go..

I think it was  Phil Lontz who said to me Friends don't let friends fly 
2 meter...  I am sure it came from many mouths
I used to love 2M... but now I know better.

Chuck Anderson wrote:
At 04:13 PM 2/10/2005, Jim Deck wrote:
Why not fly unlimited, 2 meter, and RES combined
where fliers in a particular class are only competing against others in
their class.  Note that this would probably mean a flier would only 
compete
in one class throughout the 4 days.  At the end, there would be class
winners.  Now I know that the first objection would be the class mix and
MOM.  Yes, it's true that an RES or 2M flier might find themselves 
the only
pilot with that class in a flight group,
<snip>
Best suggestion I have heard in this thread.  No need to worry about 
what classes are in each round.  Let them compete against each other.  
It will even out in the long run.  Even MOM isn't really necessary.  
The same fliers will win in the end.  Back in 1999, I recalculated the 
unlimited scores as straight duration without normalizing the scores 
by round.  It made no difference.  The same fliers placed first, 
second, and fourth.  Third and fifth dropped a couple of places.  That 
was a lot of work for no significant improvement.  Why hasn't anyone 
done this for other Nats? Are they afraid of what they will find?  
Note that Seeded MOM would make a difference but would be almost 
impossible for a contest as large as the Nats.

Chuck Anderson
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