I can see the thief (that's a better term!) then getting into war-driving and looking for that bigger fish with what he sees as a better return. Armed with his simple successes it would boost the ego and I think actually help convince the criminal that the crime is easy with huge rewards.
Heck, everyone has to start somewhere, but it would be nice to know that people with little, home, WiFi networks were trying to make it hard to be the ones that get learned on!
Richard, NCT N6GPP
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Thomas Maguire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SOCALWUG] The Feds can own your WLAN too Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:14:10 -0700
Well I guess you are right about that. This is like product liability or
something. At the consumer level. I have not read all the small print
disclaimers from DLink, Netgear or Linksys but I am sure they got themselves
covered in any case. I don't think consumers think they are vulnerable at
this level. I don't think it is to easy to disseminate basic security at
that level. Most people may not be dumb enough to transmit secure data over
a wireless connection but probably some people will do so. Still it would
seem like a lot to go through for a hacker to pick on some dumb user. There
are to many bigger fish. They just carry bigger penalties and risk.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Outmesguine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [SOCALWUG] The Feds can own your WLAN too
> Not "everyone" knows that. Some of us do... certainly those of us in the
> Wi-Fi community. But most internet users do not know anything about
> wireless security, be it WEP, WPA, IPSEC, ABCDEFG, or anything. These are
> the real plug-and-play people.
>
> What this article and demo is pointing out is that WEP is so fluid, that
> it's not really safe for anything except a speedbump in the parking lot of
> wireless intrusion. The more people know that, one would hope, the less
> crimes of convenience there will be.
>
> But in 4 years of Wi-Fi data, we still are seeing only about one-third of
> wireless networks are using any security. So for you top-tier, 98th
> percentile folks who know how to lock down a Wi-fi network, there's still
a
> need for you.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Thomas Maguire
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [SOCALWUG] The Feds can own your WLAN too
>
>
> But like WEP is a useless protocol; everyone knows that?
> That has been known forever.
> ????
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Outmesguine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:08 PM
> Subject: [SOCALWUG] The Feds can own your WLAN too
>
>
> > [Los Angeles FBI agents attend SOCALWUG meetings to stay on top of
what's
> > really going on in the wireless space. It's great to see their wireless
> > experience carrying over to the general IT security community. -Mike
O.]
> >
> >
> > From slashdot:
> > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/05/1428250
> > Feds Hack Wireless Network in 3 Minutes
> > Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday April 05, @12:26PM
> > from the still-can't-balance-budget dept.
> >
> > xs3 writes "At a recent ISSA (Information Systems Security Association)
> > meeting in Los Angeles, a team of FBI agents demonstrated current
> > WEP-cracking techniques and broke a 128 bit WEP key in about three
> minutes.
> > Special Agent Geoff Bickers ran the Powerpoint presentation and
explained
> > the attack, while the other agents (who did not want to be named or
> > photographed) did the dirty work of sniffing wireless traffic and
breaking
> > the WEP keys. This article will be a general overview of the procedures
> used
> > by the FBI team."
> >
> >
> > Here's the Tom's Hardware article by Humphrey Cheung:
> > http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Sections-article111.php
> >
> >
> >
>
