On Tuesday 15 March 2005 14:39, Ian Lynch wrote: > On Tue, 2005-03-15 at 22:06, Daniel Carrera wrote: > > Ian Lynch wrote: > > > The question is what to do to make things better? > > > > > > Problem - OOo is suffereng a number of the downsides of large > > > bureaucracies > > > > > > Solution(s) ? > > > > I've spent some itme trying to answer this. I have no shortage > > of solutions, but every time I wanted to put one down I decided > > not to send it because I didn't want to deal with the > > reprecausions. We talk about bureocracy and too much control > > being concentrated in too small a group. > > In actual fact the main source of control is Sun. The controllers > effectively get their authority from Sun. So changing Sun policy > is the key. However, the only way I can see this happening is > through persuasion and negotiation or through a fork. The latter > I think would not make much sense because the project would lose > more than it gained. The only way a fork would possibly improve > things would be if it could guarantee to sustain at least the > levels of engineering effort that Sun is putting in. Ok, it might > be argued that if it wasn't for Sun lots of hackers would come > out of the wood work but I really can't see that happening and it > would be a very large risk to make that assumption.
In general, I agree with what Ian has said above. If we weren't dependent on Sun for code, we could have more influence on the code. > So that leads > to pursuasion. A difficult task because corporates the size of > Sun are usually fairly set in their ways - role culture as > described earlier. I do think that Sun will listen to persuasion, and I do think that Sun cares a great deal about OOo. We can get more influence if we can find more developers outside Sun who will be interested. But I fear that our conversation has drifted to generalities about Sun and control. IMHO, we started out talking about Daniel's complaints, and maybe we should get back to his points. What exactly would you like to see changed, Daniel? I know you probably have made a list before, but could you repaste it here? > > > If I say something that someone in "authority" doesn't like, > > will that mean that the next time I propose an idea it'll be > > rejected? > > Its not what you say but the way that you say it, that's what > gets results :-) +1 Daniel, I like you a lot, but it is true that your tone is sometimes shrill and hot tempered. That turns me off, I must admit. Sometimes I have trouble hearing your point because of the tone of your posts. Again, let me repeat that I admire your work; you do fantastic work; OOo would be much worse off without you; I think you should be given more access to do what you need to do; but on a personal level, sometimes I am turned off by your tone. That's all.
