Indeed there is so much good training nowadays it is amazing… And yes, the AppliedHoudini is super good. jb
> On 8 May 2018, at 14:32, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > MAT's are the way forward for Mantra, but SHOP's is still better with many > 3rd party renderers such as Redshift and Arnold. Redshift works with the MATs > contexts but it's can get tricky with more complex projects. There are even > shops like Animal Logic that have stayed with SHOP's for the time being as > there are issues that affect their particular pipeline. On that basis I don't > consider it a bad thing to use this time to learn MATs but still use SHOPs in > production. It's highly likely that H17 will push the MATs workflow forward > in new directions, so getting a handle on it now will be time well spent. > > In terms of up to date learning materials, all of the > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.appliedhoudini.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=Xh8uytwMkoPTHLXw7YsVi_IHrlojNbEaAk0YvTIr1FY&e= > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzI-2D2F9k-2D2BWBXKW27XRR1WxPwQU0cWfGn8-2D2FecMK0KzasHXsOxC5kVNt7nEifguYIVjpYp3aPrb4ZKZadlWdrvCbO57Bl4yVBYG2J4V4MTbCNjmPbZ2NOsJb60sLKi7dwko3s9Llbo-2D2FiVgdarxrIAaMWsciH-2D2Fo-2D2B-2D2Bkg5srNILDIAAsBBoAE92Kh44RFHv3gpRzSCInJg4L6AgbMJIZvZJBpwh-2D2Fg0vIjCkdeY7ZEBEbaG8EE-2D2FrlpTka0Sb4lM9ca5hlKw4dlfQBsnEYwKfDT2MqAp-2D2FrU1so0LbBe2ccoiskcJUwgClPQSAtRlViEtjkjAQp3mndd-5FxtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDTmm4ilXGw17-2D2BhPvBH-2D2Bx3SQyEYhMcPrcpaHPqG1gwyTYUfuB8bRQjQKli-2D2BUsfU-2D2FayGqpcE-2D2BOL3DpxB2ut0GJwWusYA0uv6JR9KWF8JpW6l9fGZPEFj99KchE7qE99wxuXE9rhb0yPK0agkuzATQ3xAOb6si8-2D2BTlizL57U4w7Mr1k-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=Vzjb8T8i_xvwENLmhG5zNtRwmYzi6um4gAzVq0_33sY&e=> > stuff is bang on the money, and Steven Knipping is amongst the best in terms > of teaching the why as well as the how. His prices are very reasonable > considering the quality of the training. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__rebelway.net_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=BkaDdYWCvQ3An23uDjN6FF_WWl8mCU7hIvSteKajxM0&e= > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzWGfXlfGrTCpQXe6LBW6A2Ab0b9VqNCXsxX5UG9dABksMFtveIMXUcy-2D2FCiUZ2rma30ud8Pzkj6eP1KuH1xAF-2D2BUPHEvL0EJrZ4uooY21dxHlfBGAjrGiuTcpGJJyZyQohojHnTyuJFId8caLy-2D2FMAeV3og5EsbJHG2BagvHezUY5XVky9C8soDVigsElwG95VpPx9TwdXGt9ytYAC6aH6qZrPsYYlfr-2D2Fw5lloc9CYXPsSz8SptqWYUvw5JhdrnwhMIGpfv84MuHeXwT9bsarKyugJG-2D2FHxqkHCvc5EYKrzg7iz0-2D3D-5FxtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDNDyKhJcBDuuHK3hLRu-2D2F2r71pLUzB0qUE2LVx6ClRRX5rDN5EQevoe1Vo-2D2FQ4HkqgFGExPNW6pB9DLPyZ270hlcaXBY9rd0RP8y-2D2B37qoBDniMoF94MChb5H-2D2FH8TmiaPJNYL0YUPBMn4tUmg1hI0RrvQXzf6qjsLNR30kopWepg3b8-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=vBAVcJNqt0UThTLPrAiSPTkYMtn3h7RjDBl3RzhCBH8&e=> > is another very good option. It's more expensive than the Applied Houdini > stuff as it's involves weekly mentoring and feedback. Having said it's > expensive, they have a couple of reasonably priced foundation courses > starting in June. Saber & Igor really know their onions and have been > training professionally onsite for a number of years so I think the prices > are reasonable for the calabre of the training. > > Adam Swaab has a range of training products on the market that're very > reasonably priced but Adam's stuff is very much entry level. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__helloluxx.com_product_houdini-2Djumpstart-2Dbundle-2Dadam-2Dswaab_&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=WpSHDRAVdvkppuZ7-mBHR6vOb6L39anlAWFy-lgDZDI&e= > > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqz9dbKRxQbv9bVQCOvK7kwwtQS2e2gHio2Q1N71KiIRm6dSmYQmPATveZ9oGvc-2Bzlztr1iRCZN5GQ-2BJ-2FOUKSIgdEUTexLIVdYbdOIf-2BgWmMHf4khJ49UXklYe9yxacFjf58JTp7okerUIXg6D0tq7awNoOSsV43HOSJNwHuimMvw-2F-2FzfITH0s-2BfOoTZEnusvxNqR5dZTpYW4JTBUrt94uJNkNvzj3fDTyUyzFN4em5-2BmfZ4zpc-2F2sOoeF52q2zu0X466Yp23j-2BmLV3ZDCDUBHsYeaJghYCSSF66RAQoiNjMxHCu0wfsazkNJIzleLt-2FVyDwV00AXScGyzG2GZFlNHL2s-2BxdwFwQunP6OYJeVcIAt-2BIrf0juhAo-2Fyp9LqB9QzL6_xtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDib6LRIztT6fSRBpB9kK6o6TdnOvlhrb-2BSE0SL-2B1Jz0lqIhd1GJKLrT0iMqlk539-2BjWzWxjJvvm1c2SqGDz9XFB4r0M8mTuQJnF-2Br99lpiKXnEjxaGk-2BdmQObEkHsGtm2r9fw3OW0iiwRYMt7rMCS-2BV-2FG3LmFbd1GLlzLXKR1X3M-3D> > is his most basic stuff (the first few volumes are a little dated but it's > still useful content). The > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.learnsquared.com_courses_houdini-2Dparticles&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=abOR5HPsLr_G8yYenDh6KBc_9hXj37LqM6W9LrlboJo&e= > > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqzzv1mWEUkVJoyJm6R8MtWg58jzmSg0T0bZVBKpgmoDUVreySI46O5ZWT6HRs55WHSylDekQMpYDXTVbCfYqO2r3-2BdXj0lVV3nco5zZMLdn6ZPv7xYa3tduQAH8CL3orcjKuCMAbaKWDYYL5HFzsDeRaMyXlVV3V35KqMQlD1HEcSTLgMXsj2VUH3chWH5UXbXBeVB7yD7M0CyTHjbX-2F2Ro4jXKBJ4l19Tt7OrIbA5svockznN-2FOl68-2FayPwiHqEuAJgkoM5vRzr0ZIi3FPiCi117sK62usc8AjAHs-2BAv8vw3enQ1uDeblJEirwcUrKnuyVD6lp4dVKIH2PANVC1-2FiV369x0ZO-2BXB67MQsc8DPBDM-3D_xtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDGlGpgk-2BqDkESNFlakrhmMrEVJfmo5hpz85NIbeajhOWqr3YydPHxhEeg-2BzZrEW-2BXX-2Bo1bud16eBSf3z6L-2B2uxp2NvGY6eTQvJKvOjaOrZ8wqfhNyVUluoT3LfN-2BOcVWT8SAIvdUlWDlZYeM-2BTFBC5fG0HB5MEScEvnZyAzt3xfw-3D> > content is a more contemporary and notches up to fairly advaced content > (I've linked to his more advanced particles course, but he has foundation > content too). Unfortunately his most advanced course is already fully booked, > but it's worth keeping an eye on all the CGSociety courses as they're run in > a similar manner to the Rebelway stuff- > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cgsociety.org_training_course_abstract-2Deffects-2Din-2Dhoudini&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=JO_Qe40PFtnx5QoDmc5YaqQ9MW2A4-XykOxVO8d2FJk&e= > > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzI-2F9k-2BWBXKW27XRR1WxPwQSxbbRPuCpfg2lgfGSeLKAYsr-2BEjL-2BY4kARwctA8-2F447HzNA2n1668Pm3SlkfO5G4I-2FniL3XMRTJSU8UImirdcLs-2B0oCEXejZ8nogkQQnf1jzgLEmwXvDhNEc2w-2BIzflCnrspkPP4ufuvwH7dSfcZU4kSknKIE1SSmqaltDfgQ2vbeVaooKEZwXailxf5iTz155cJGA37kGgeinVbqYMRj8EqfZkpyZSaQkTkrWK8di9xl20JHUn2Z3I-2BnErG966IvjemT0CQ0sY0v04OCZhVxEpK7-2F2sGzEpW0ge-2Ba7epOOSvhwN-2F7Ys3PDXQ1IclrDNClVaEAuGR-2F8NCIuOxE9ppuEGdsUwNAcfsL-2F9DnyPykT_xtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDDOraygep6QhJTMsr4wA8iO1AcJSvmoaXecPAIteyCJKf7xm9zg56UaOBaxgSU4X9s1F5CH6hwPI3lfky0BgEAvo48O0kw7UpvbTMZSfEaOVeO9Wvo-2Fqnpwnsak0c5sgqiPUh3SBEKCWXHd-2F-2FZl4u1IP4S-2BHqUokhfgLzlM3IF7s-3D> > . > > As much as there's a ton of great free training out there and SideFX have > been exemplary in the manner that they categorise and filter all this > training content on their website. The paid stuff I've linked to here is in a > different league to the typical Lynda and Pluralsight content. You'll find > more advanced subject matter at entagma.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzifzizOENJY4sRy7FQgkv6Qnv3N5sCvPHrSevho0e2k5ICYGNkU-2D2BaMCI-2D2BjnIG8BdEg-2D2Bm6QpjaIl5tamenjDIcnBj7fbemYrXALnK02qtKs0hfXeq-2D2FyEafBi9JMxJnQm1NO8wt4PtGZHtc5Jj-2D2BYNHvPGykQcdq2olDwkB6PGT-2D2F3J1vnnSIhLd0b-2D2F2ujoUfWkWmNWHYrA43n1vh41UDP1p-2D2FdenkxniqQ-2D2BGCEUQqWOUUbI6rnnCGk-2D2BpWWfkNAQwE-2D2Ft4ij-2D2BnZq5A3ItrT5XqdCCeY4aDLILQppPbkuoidhvNg6bQ-2D3D-5FxtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJND9OZS-2D2FzY1slLV7xuGV3ozd2VSQcwxh7kTG7PKm1kyZW3rQL-2D2BWKVZIdQg4xrIbz0CirR-2D2FuD7xWT0SDq1MHLt7bj8GqwyhrYK0yaqIGZr18JMGYREQ-2D2BbIWn8PCqdWBWsWR7o4fJwm9-2D2B-2D2FS25aeETjUxegSZ2C-2D2BJlbKL2kT1gVYZPWbY-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=FmHiT5qhDPPc8sMcdBIUp_qQMm82-kssqJhvYfeEOL0&e=> > but the good paid stuff is better structured for the needs of typical > production projects. > > Having rubbised Pluralsigt, there's one course that's worth taking if pick up > one of those 3 months free offers that're floating around (by signing up for > a free Visual Studio account here: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__my.visualstudio.com&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=KJLicQTh6B5DdR6I6t_MjoUnMajfm1Pw3olt_-7dc9M&e= > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net_wf_click-3Fupn-3D5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2MtqzZ-2D2FA8HlGfA1PEMnhGwoNhpFR4lqV10KXHKJQD257u2bG-2D2B1zFbcoiR9dGGE8roJS9RxyuSv4OJeNllDMpH2XSEzbXZdL85nfaaIIUSsOn4vISh5gtH4HMmCXiiAxskHg8FzvYC10Cw9C3yPs8etsXxYZshIBklJrF40WigfCew7nJBpZ95c5-2D2FziDzzEBACXOxE-2D2B-2D2FUqi66JN-2D2BonJ2deGeNe-2D2Fsn7BGPx5trkpV27kSf2nAdM6G-2D2BLK36uTMP1Om9jciT9jL-2D2FumQycucnmZYXjgSaSuWlGvz41u7b-2D2B-2D2FLBbpD7yiadjcJYyo7jmxtgTdjTgCk5N-5FxtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDjdOdXRYk5EfabdU5Vz1VaCX3xJ5nfeMHkmNxGww84SU7Naq7HDEkzmo8FXxl1nvTPz8bFutHcNoPrtFBO-2D2FgcnPE86X-2D2B2yPG9s4CarSFmVFOq3-2D2B5wTnmiYtv2KyJvai5r4IQhB-2D2Fn1VyKY-2D2BypianLsc7z8UVT7KCRlPC6hgDEWwtY-2D3D&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=IM3dbVCcdpbKtA1Giex5VUodxHK5KfScgbmJNmeNfkg&e=> > ) - > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pluralsight.com_courses_houdini-2Dpractical-2Dmath-2Dtips&d=DwIFaQ&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=qGQfm1EY7iK_3m-R3uOpJqjAwpZARLsqGcU_5qQmQYA&s=yAXyVhUL-BJPij5IifPSOwzWVrl9FG6o5PHUkbuEzBM&e= > > <https://u7507473.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/click?upn=5SmYwFIJXHmC5X9wAP0G6mg4oLGBuQENbeDkYXezg3m6vjHxJcC6rUMd8QE2Mtqzzv1mWEUkVJoyJm6R8MtWg3RrjTRRVc6bePv-2BIiN-2BTplgws2HEv9jm-2BOqQ-2FQOkqy3D4IDFbtEvLZZBeAy9vGhs-2F8ngBthl3WljfZIELzSvWKg8mRuJvVY9tzKddQzu1X-2FN3J4YWDqIsAIPGMZhfQ-2BzEsgZ3sxgGhTYdD4PHxjgMvm6fKqmWAJoE1rev1G7wCFnp-2BjznueFHGC3yMlyh2-2FUs842qY-2BRTwvvsImtdtZV7AyG87-2BaB-2FggDAig2SZvyHIaHIjyCZMH5UqRqFGeQZ4TWcnf4N0choDRsG69eByGtUWGSp-2Fvz7j99rCBxw4yfXHGFOsNIHzUrMSXo6PCsA23X48EfwmaqYhMh25Vmj6arw-3D_xtAIgyeGUkaFYUSrrLyyFGCT559IxnI2CalBtcQNCt3aCm1FGrATKznZYMO5XJNDAcGR6vDyFt6KxYc3Z1ZXeOs9cnpSK7Dw7UzbuyqUUMHQWFaOctCBDe7OrqThrv0kRLxWP3GXBVPnUkw1QdMuMuZMvia6Pci31Eymj-2BP2ZyPpx6sS78wzzBPhx1rlkqwv4LeTslCimm19yGlqe6TbKZFOxi-2BkAZQRTxrHTY8tDCU-3D> > -. Even if you already have a good handle on pertinent math subjects from > working with ICE, this course is great for learning how to apply that > knowledge in Houdini. And a refresher on pertinent vector, trig and algebra > is never a bad thing. :) > > > > On 8 May 2018 at 10:35, Jordi Bares <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> On 8 May 2018, at 08:34, Matt Morris <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I'd certainly be down for that too :) >> >> Hacked my way through Houdini for a volume job recently and while there's a >> wealth of information out there its sometimes difficult to know the optimal >> way to achieve something, and find up to date solutions for the mat context >> instead of shops for example. Ended up back in xsi for some particle >> behaviours as there are so many compounds I miss for randomization etc. > > "Optimal way" is an elusive thing.. I keep learning new approaches for things > I learned and now are kind of lame… (for example the constant adding colours > to apply effects and then rename them or worse, remove the color afterwards… > I do it now via attributes and visualisers and it is a lot more elegant) > > And yes, I am not using SHOPs anymore (unless I am using Arnold)… MATs is the > way forward and quite exciting when you realise what is in front of you. > > Anyway, it is something of an ever evolving task… > > Jb > > >> >> >> >> On 8 May 2018 at 08:25, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Thanks Jordi. Well, like I said – I will have to dive in to Houdini at some >> point I guess :) >> >> I would love a Soft2Houdini crash course :) >> >> MB >> >> Den 4. maj 2018 klokken 20:22 skrev Jordi Bares <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>>: >> >> For the sake of sharing my experiences… >> >> On 4 May 2018, at 14:24, Morten Bartholdy <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Pardon me for intruding, but I have to agree with Jonathan here. >> >> It used to be that developers worked to make better tools and make them more >> accessible to the average artist (and I am not talking about Kais Powertools >> ;), but that path seems to have been abandoned in the pursuit of better and >> more advanced tools, and letting it up to the users to get a degree in >> rocket science to be able to wield said tools at all >> >> Tools are getting easier (just look at the new hair system in 16.5 vs 16.0 >> or the new MAT context in order to blend BRDFs properly), complex things are >> simply complex (DOPs for example) and you can’t simplify certain things >> without loosing the whole point or it will take a lot to get there (for >> example custom controls with DOPs records and others) >> >> Houdini is probably the best example of this. I know a lot of effort has >> gone in to making it more accessible, but to my knowledge it still requires >> a fair amount of insight into expression syntax and scripting plus more than >> basic math end vector knowhow to get even simple things done. >> >> The fact you can add expressions in your fields (something you can’t do in >> softimage) means you don’t need to script as much… so arguably you can >> choose between learning simple expressions or learning to program. >> >> Both require a certain level of simple maths involving trigonometry, vectors >> and matrices. >> >> I understand your position (stated in earlier threads) that the increased >> demands on production requires more complex solutions/tools, >> >> I would say sophisticated rather than complex… for example packed primitives >> allow you to do things that are truly mind-bending in combination with >> Material Style Sheets, but that does not mean they are difficult of full of >> moving parts. >> >> but I don't buy the premise that it also has(!) to become more difficult to >> use. >> >> I don’t think that either.. a good example of sophisticated tools in Houdini >> 16 and 16.5 that are a pleasure to work are the new terrain tools… but it is >> also true that unfortunately some problems are complex no matter what. >> >> Good UI devs could alleviate that and make even really complex stuff >> accessible to the least technical artist in the room if ressources were made >> available, ie the management and dev team leads concur it would be a good >> idea. I am going out on a limb and guessing it might often come down to this >> – spend ressources on making the tool more accessible or spend them on >> making more and better tools… In reality I think in all fairness they try >> and balance it while keeping a keen eye on their userbase and potential for >> increasing it. >> >> With the UI and UX there is a major point Jeff Wagner explained to me long >> time ago… Houdini is non-linear (branches splitting and mixing again) so >> many things there can be easily put on a linear system (like Softimage) are >> not possible in Houdini and therefore we have to accept certain limitations. >> Exactly the same than ICE, you don’t have many tools making your live eraser >> in terms of workflow inside ICE, you need to know what you are doing. >> >> But it is true also that Softimage vision of ICE is a lot neater, easier and >> element in terms of packaging functionality in ICE… A LOT BETTER IN FACT. >> >> What remains is that people like me find Houdini way too technical for >> practical use (the steep learning curve) and as such I have not delved into >> it for real yet. >> >> May be that is what makes you feel it is complex… >> >> I will for sure, because I think it is probably the only major 3D DCC which >> is really evolving and making groundbreaking tools available to the users, >> so it will very likely inherit the world, but for me, and probably many >> others, as Jonathan probably indicates, it would do so much faster if it was >> made even easier to use :) >> >> Agreed, there are many things that should be a lot easier because you do >> them all the time (like path deform for example, or layering animation, or >> having a shape manager and others) but don’t be mistaken, it is not >> difficult at all until you need to dive in certain areas. >> >> And that would mean I would get to spend less time in Maya which honestly >> makes me short of breath to the point of needing to vomit, almost every day. >> >> Well, then I can guarantee you you will age slower. ;-) >> >> Peace and have a great weekend. jb >> >> PS. I am thinking… would it be of interest for you guys if I talk to SideFX >> to organise a crash course in Houdini for Softimage users? May be >> replicating one of the old XSI tutorials live in Houdini??? I still love >> those tutorials… remember the carnivore plant? >> >> Just my two kr (the coin we use here) >> >> Have a nice weekend all – Morten >> >> Den 3. maj 2018 klokken 19:17 skrev Jordi Bares <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>>: >> >> And by my judgement, Houdini is no closer to being a generalist replacement >> for Softimage. >> >> This is what I would love to understand if you don’t mind… >> >> jb >> >> ------ Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to >> [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> with “unsubscribe” in the >> subject, and reply to confirm. >> >> ------ Softimage Mailing List. 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