the scores are not the same Doc 305340 432.44238 C2646 428.24185 12837 430.61722
One other thing. I just ran optimize and now document 305340 is consistently the top score. So apparently it IS essential to run optimize after a data load Note we see this behavior fairly commonly on our solr cloud instances. This was not the first time. This particular situation was on a development system On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Webster Homer <webster.ho...@sial.com> wrote: > the scores are not the same > Doc > 305340 432.44238 > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:02 AM, David Hastings < > hastings.recurs...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "I am concerned that the same >> search gives different results after each search. The top document seems >> to >> cycle between 3 different documents" >> >> >> if you do debug query on the search, are the scores for the top 3 >> documents >> the same or not? you can easily have three documents with the same score, >> so when you have a result set that is ranked 1-1-1-2-3-4.... you can >> expect >> 1-1-1 to rotate based on whatever. use a second element like id to your >> ranking perhaps. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Webster Homer <webster.ho...@sial.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I am not concerned about deleted documents. I am concerned that the same >> > search gives different results after each search. The top document >> seems to >> > cycle between 3 different documents >> > >> > I have an enhanced collections info api call that calls the core admin >> api >> > to get the index information for the replica. >> > When I said the numdocs were the same I meant exactly that. maxdocs and >> > deleted documents are not the same for the replicas, but the number of >> > numdocs is. >> > >> > Or are you saying that the search is looking at deleted documents >> wouldn't >> > that be a very significant bug? >> > >> > The four replicas: >> > shard1 >> > core_node1 >> > "numDocs": 383817, >> > "maxDocs": 611592, >> > "deletedDocs": 227775, >> > "size": "2.49 GB", >> > "lastModified": "2017-09-07T08:18:03.639Z", >> > "current": true, >> > "version": 35644, >> > "segmentCount": 28 >> > >> > core_node3 >> > "numDocs": 383817, >> > "maxDocs": 571737, >> > "deletedDocs": 187920, >> > "size": "2.85 GB", >> > "lastModified": "2017-09-07T08:18:03.634Z", >> > "current": false, >> > "version": 35562, >> > "segmentCount": 36 >> > shard2 >> > core_node2 >> > "numDocs": 385326, >> > "maxDocs": 529214, >> > "deletedDocs": 143888, >> > "size": "2.13 GB", >> > "lastModified": "2017-09-07T08:18:03.632Z", >> > "current": true, >> > "version": 34783, >> > "segmentCount": 24 >> > core_node4 >> > "numDocs": 385326, >> > "maxDocs": 488201, >> > "deletedDocs": 102875, >> > "size": "1.96 GB", >> > "lastModified": "2017-09-07T08:18:03.633Z", >> > "current": true, >> > "version": 34932, >> > "segmentCount": 21 >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Yonik Seeley <ysee...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Erick Erickson < >> erickerick...@gmail.com >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > > bq: and deleted documents are irrelevant to term statistics... >> > > > >> > > > Did you mean "relevant"? Or do I have to adjust my thinking _again_? >> > > >> > > One can make it work either way ;-) >> > > Whether a document is marked as deleted or not has no effect on term >> > > statistics (i.e. irrelevant) >> > > OR documents marked for deletion still count in term statistics (i.e. >> > > relevant) >> > > >> > > I guess I used the former because we don't go out of our way to still >> > > include deleted documents... it's just a side effect of the index >> > > structure that we don't (and can't easily) update statistics when a >> > > document is marked as deleted. >> > > >> > > -Yonik >> > > >> > > >> > > > Erick >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Yonik Seeley <ysee...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > >> Different replicas of the same shard can have different numbers of >> > > >> deleted documents (really just marked as deleted), and deleted >> > > >> documents are irrelevant to term statistics (like the number of >> > > >> documents a term appears in). Documents marked for deletion stop >> > > >> contributing to corpus statistics when they are actually removed >> (via >> > > >> expunge deletes, merges, optimizes). >> > > >> -Yonik >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Webster Homer < >> webster.ho...@sial.com >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > >>> I am using Solr 6.2.0 configured as a solr cloud with 2 shards >> and 4 >> > > >>> replicas (total of 4 nodes). >> > > >>> >> > > >>> If I run the query multiple times I see the three different top >> > scoring >> > > >>> results. >> > > >>> No data load is running, all data has been commited >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I get these three different hits with their scores: >> > > >>> copperiinitratehemipentahydrate2325919004194 430.61722 >> > > >>> copperiinitrateoncelite1234598765 >> > > 432.44238 >> > > >>> copperiinitratehydrate18756anhydrousbasis13778319 428.24185 >> > > >>> >> > > >>> How is it that the same search against the same data can give >> > different >> > > >>> responses? >> > > >>> I looked at the specific cores they look OK the numdocs for the >> > > replicas in >> > > >>> a shard match >> > > >>> >> > > >>> This is the query: >> > > >>> http://ae1c-ecomdev-msc01.sial.com:8983/solr/sial- >> > > catalog-product/select?defType=edismax&fl=searchmv_ >> > > en_keywords,%20searchmv_keywords,searchmv_pno,% >> > 20searchmv_en_s_pri_name,% >> > > 20search_en_p_pri_name,%20search_pno%20[explain% >> > > 20style=nl]&group.field=id_s&group.limit=30&group=true& >> > > group.sort=sort_ds%20asc&indent=on&mm=2%3C-25%25&q.op= >> > > OR&q=copper%20nitrate&qf=search_pid >> > > >>> ^500%20search_concat_pno^400%20searchmv_concat_sku^400% >> > > 20searchmv_pno^300%20search_concat_pno_genr^100%20searchmv_pno_genr% >> > > 20searchmv_p_skus_genr%20searchmv_user_term^200% >> > > 20search_lform^190%20searchmv_en_acronym^180%20search_en_ >> > > root_name^170%20searchmv_en_s_pri_name^160%20search_en_p_ >> > > pri_name^150%20searchmv_en_synonyms^145%20searchmv_en_ >> > > keywords^140%20search_en_sortkey^120%20searchmv_p_skus^ >> > > 100%20searchmv_chem_comp^90%20searchmv_en_name_suf% >> > > 20searchmv_cas_number^80%20searchmv_component_cas^70% >> > > 20search_beilstein^50%20search_color_idx^40% >> > 20search_ecnumber^30%20search_ >> > > egecnumber^30%20search_femanumber^20%20searchmv_isbn^ >> > > 10%20search_mdl_number%20searchmv_en_page_title% >> > > 20searchmv_en_descriptions%20searchmv_en_attributes% >> > > 20searchmv_rtecs%20searchmv_lookahead_terms%20searchmv_ >> > > xref_comparable_pno%20searchmv_xref_comparable_sku%20searchmv_xref_ >> > > equivalent_pno%20searchmv_xref_exact_pno%20searchmv_ >> > > xref_exact_sku%20searchmv_component_molform&rows=30& >> > > sort=score%20desc,sort_en_name%20asc,sort_ds%20asc, >> > > search_pid%20asc&wt=json >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -- >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> This message and any attachment are confidential and may be >> > privileged >> > > or >> > > >>> otherwise protected from disclosure. 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