* "Keith C. Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:02:25:22:03:46-0500] scribed:
> Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >     pts rule name              description
> >    ---- ---------------------- 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> >      50 MDS_Remove_Subject     MDS - un-subscribe idiocy
> >    -0.9 BAYES_10               BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 10 to 20%
> >                                [score: 0.1441]
> >     -24 AWL                    AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment
> 
> Okay, so you have an insanely high AWL adjustment because 
> you've set up a rule with an insanely high score.  Even so, the 
> adjustment only brings the score down to 25, which presumably 
> is still far above the spam threshold, so what's the problem?

The problem is in the scores that I cannot present -- those that I have
-R'd and redisposed -- as I said.  Those did *NOT* use
MDS_Remove_Subject; but, were from same mailing lists.  They *ARE* spam;
but, scored as ham.

NOTE: I raised scores of MDS_Remove_Subject, and its ilk, in response to
AWL scores that continually dragged these messages from the ranks of
spam into the ranks of ham.  Of course, I did this before I better
understood the AWL process.  Perhaps, I should never have used AWL --
perhaps, procmail is a better spam fighting tool than spamassassin ;>

Nevertheless, skewing my point by taking only one (1) of my examples
does not bolster the value of AWL.  In point of fact, I have witnessed
AWL -- as you call it, `insanely high AWL adjustment' -- skew mailing
list messages, and I began this thread in hopes of understanding how to
avoid this and to use AWL to my benefit.

Unfortunately, this thread has only driven me from AWL, because its
implementation appears skewed, especially in mailing list context.

And, nobody has offered evidence to the contrary.  Nor has anybody
offered a way to reconfigure my AWL to provide value to my environment.
I can live without AWL, and I am doing so now.

Have a great day!

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