Right, we can use the script to pull the messages from the public folder. But the client is using POP3 to get the messages. There is no way to get the messages out from the client once they have downloaded them. If the client supported IMAP they could possible drag-and-drop them into the public folder, but unfortunately the version of Goldmine doesn't support IMAP.
I was just wondering what people were doing in this scenario. It looks like the only option would be for user's to keep the mail on the server, and then once in a while go in an move the e-mail to the spam and ham public folders. I guess one could also use the DSPAM plug-in, because it seems that you can just forward your e-mail to DSPAM for it to learn. Any one have any comments on this? Geoff > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Ozer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:16 AM > To: Geoff Nordli > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Spamassassin gateway to exchange > > The client doesn't have to support imap. What you do is put > imap support on > your spamassassin server, read the stuff in exchange's SPAM > folder using > imap, and push it to sa-learn. > > Here's something I wrote up a while ago. > > *************************************** > How to support ad-hoc Bayesian learning with Microsoft > Exchange Server and > Outlook > > Problem: > > Many organizations use Microsoft Exchange, MS Outlook, and > Outlook Express > with IMAP for their corporate e-mail. Typically, SpamAssassin > is running on > a Linux box that tags the mail and forwards it to the > Exchange server for > delivery. One of the challenges in implementing SpamAssassin in this > environment has been to provide a seamless mechanism for end > users to train > the bayesian filter. The reason this is difficult is that > neither Outlook > nor Outlook Express preserve the original message headers when mail is > forwarded from one mailbox to another. This makes it tedious > to send the > necessary information to a spam or ham mailbox. Although > mainly a training > problem, most users are unwilling to take the additional time > to manually > copy the original headers into a new message, along with the original > message body. It's simply too unwieldy to do so. This often > leaves the task > of Bayesian training to the mail admin, who receives > forwarded spam message > from the end users (usually without the pre-requisite headers) and is > expected to add the offending email to a blacklist, or to > create a new rule. > > Solution: > The only time headers are properly preserved in Microsoft > Outlook or Outlook > Express, is during a drag and drop operation. This suggests a > solution that > takes advantage of Microsoft Exchange's public folder > capabilities. A "Spam" > public folder and "Ham" public folder can be created on the > exchange server, > allowing users to drag spam or ham into these folders where > they will await > retrieval by the SpamAssassin host. > > A key piece of this puzzle can be found on Nick Burch's web site at: > > http://tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk/~nick/code/ > > There you will find a perl script called imap-sa-learn.pl. > This script will > logon to any server supporting IMAP, retrieve any messages > located in any > arbitrarily named folder, process the contents of that folder > as either ham > or spam, delete the processed messages, and then run an > sa-learn --rebuild. > The script is simple to understand, and you need only > predicate your public > folder name with the "Public Folders" directive. For > instance, if you create > a public folder called "Spam", you would set the script > variable containing > the Spam folder's path to: > > my $defspamfolder = 'Public Folders/Spam'; > > Likewise, you would do something similar for the Ham folder. > > On the exchange side, create a domain user called > spamassassin with minimal > rights and create an exchange mailbox for it... it should > never receive any > mail. The account is there simply to give the account access > to the public > folders. > > Using Outlook, and while logged in as an administrator, > create the Spam and > Ham public folders. Right click on each folder, go to the folder > properties/permissions tab and make the spamassassin user a > folder "Owner". > This will give the spamassassin account the necessary > privleges to delete > processed messages. The default permissions should allow > anyone to post to > the folder, and delete only their items. > In Nick's script, set the login and password to the spamassain user's > account ID and password, and test. By using a non-admin > account for the > spamassassin, you avoid the risk of having a plain-text > administrator name > and password sitting inside a perl script. > > This mechanism works for both Exchange 5.5 SP4, or Exchange 2000+. > > Richard Ozer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Nordli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Richard Ozer'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'SpamAssassin > Users List'" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: RE: Spamassassin gateway to exchange > > > > That is what I thought. > > > > What happens if they use a client that doesn't support > IMAP? They are > > currently using Goldmine (CRM package). > > > > One could configure the client to not delete the e-mail on > the server when > > downloading messages. > > > > Are there any other ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Richard Ozer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:06 AM > > > To: Geoff Nordli; 'SpamAssassin Users List' > > > Subject: Re: Spamassassin gateway to exchange > > > > > > If you use outlook or outlook express, you must drag/drop > the e-mail. > > > Forwarding will re-write the headers. > > > > > > RO > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Geoff Nordli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "'SpamAssassin Users List'" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:03 AM > > > Subject: RE: Spamassassin gateway to exchange > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The gateway and forwarding to exchange are easy, however > > > > > getting spammy > > > > > >messages that pass the filter back to the gateway for > > > > > sa-learning has got me > > > > > >stuck. I have seen some of the suggestions in the > archives but, > > > > > > > > > > > Do a google on imap sa-learn. It is a version of sa-learn > > > > > that can use > > > > > an imap mailbox. > > > > > > > > > > Create an IMAP folder for your account called CRAP and put > > > > > all the bad > > > > > email in there. Create one called HAM as well for good email. > > > > > Then use > > > > > the imap-sa-learn to learn from your SA machine to your > > > > > exchange mailbox. > > > > > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it OK if the users forward the e-mail to the account (say > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > and [EMAIL PROTECTED]), or do they have to drag-and-drop it > > > to the folder? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
