The clamav problem shouldn't be coming into play, as I had already upgraded
to clamav-0.92.1 before installing spamdyke. Thanks for the reminder about
that though.

FWIW, the server in question is a PII/266/512 (try not to laugh too hard).
It's load average is typically 0.2 or less though.

Sam Clippinger wrote:
> The issue where timed-out messages are delivered anyway will be fixed in 
> version 4.0.0.
> 
> I don't see how ClamAV could be causing Eric's timeouts but again, since 
> I don't (yet) understand what's happening, it's worth a shot.  Keeping 
> ClamAV up to date is always a good idea, whether any problems are 
> occurring or not.  Generally speaking, a slow/unresponsive qmail (or 
> other child process) can cause an idle timeout in spamdyke 3.1.7 -- I've 
> fixed this in the next version.
> 
> -- Sam Clippinger
> 
> Bruce Schreiber wrote:
>> Michael,
>>
>> I had the exact same symptom with multiple users.  The problem turned 
>> out to be in ClamAV.  There is a DOS exploit in ClamAV that is solved 
>> with an upgrade to 0.91 or later.  (see 
>> http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/xfdb/35367)   Upgrading ClamAV solved the 
>> problem for the most part.
>>
>> I agree that the symptom is disturbing.  If the mail client is being 
>> sent a message indicating that the message failed, then it should not 
>> be sent by Qmail.  I believe this is a Spamdyke bug.  Spamdyke is 
>> terminating the client session, but is failing to stop Qmail from 
>> sending the email.  Outlook exacerbates this problem by automatically 
>> retrying the failed message, without notifying the user.  I had one 
>> customer complain that a message was sent 170 times.  Customers eyes 
>> glaze over when you try to explain why it happened.
>>
>> Sam, I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Colvin wrote:
>>> Doing this, kind of negates the need for doing it in SpamDyke, except 
>>> for maybe a "Backup" in case Qmail doesn't for some reason.
>>>  
>>> I think the problem is, some people don't have a timeoutsmtpd file.  
>>> I had  a "Stock" Qmailrocks install that did not have it, and 
>>> apparently, the "Default" value used by Qmail if that file is missing 
>>> is 1200 seconds (20 minutes), which of course is kind of ridiculous.  
>>> So, with even a modest value in SpamDyke of 300 
>>> seconds, SpamDyke would occassionally timeout a connection, and in 
>>> some cases, I think because of the way SpamDyke disconnected the 
>>> session, the sending server didn't realize the message had been 
>>> sent.  I belive it is discusses in this thread:
>>>  
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/spamdyke-users@spamdyke.org/msg00746.html
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> **Michael J. Colvin**
>>>
>>> **NorCal Internet Services**
>>>
>>> **//www.norcalisp.com// <http://www.norcalisp.com/>**
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> <http://www.norcalisp.com/>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>     [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Paulo
>>>     Henrique
>>>     *Sent:* Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:18 PM
>>>     *To:* spamdyke users
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [spamdyke-users] Timeout problem
>>>
>>>     I had a problem like this and decided putting the timeout from
>>>     qmail less than the timeout from spamdyke, see:
>>>
>>>     cat /var/qmail/control/timeoutsmtpd
>>>     240
>>>     grep idle-timeout-secs /var/qmail/control/spamdyke/spamdyke.conf
>>>     idle-timeout-secs = 300
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     After that never had problem with the repetition of messages.
>>>
>>>     2008/4/22 Eric Shubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
>>>
>>>         I had a problem receiving a particular email message. It
>>>         would always send
>>>         the same amount of data, then timeout. The same amount of
>>>         data was
>>>         sent/received with timeouts of 60 and 180 seconds.
>>>
>>>         I logged the message (great little feature of spamdyke btw),
>>>         and the end
>>>         part of the message log always shows:
>>>         <HR align="left" SIZE=1 color=black>
>>>         <div align="left"><font face="arial"
>>>         size="1">14072172</font></div></td></tr></TBODY></TABLE>
>>>         </BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>         FF> 04/22/2008 17:11:13
>>>         .
>>>         QUIT
>>>
>>>         <FF  04/22/2008 17:11:13
>>>         421 Timeout. Talk faster next time.
>>>
>>>         <XX  04/22/2008 17:11:33
>>>         250 ok 1208909493 qp 11949
>>>         221 doris.shubes.net <http://doris.shubes.net> - Welcome to
>>>         Qmail Toaster Ver. 1.3 SMTP Server
>>>
>>>         04/22/2008 17:11:33 CLOSED
>>>
>>>
>>>         Here's the smtp log for the successful receipt (with no
>>>         spamdyke):
>>>         04-22 17:21:13 tcpserver: pid 12162 from 208.46.47.130
>>>         <http://208.46.47.130>
>>>         04-22 17:21:13 tcpserver: ok 12162 doris:192.168.71.11:25
>>>         <http://192.168.71.11:25> :208.46.47.130::51303
>>>         04-22 17:21:13 CHKUSER accepted sender: from
>>>         <[EMAIL PROTECTED]::> remote
>>>         <rapport.mysurvey.com:unknown:208.46.47.130
>>>         <http://208.46.47.130>> rcpt <> : sender accepted
>>>         04-22 17:21:13 CHKUSER accepted rcpt: from
>>>         <[EMAIL PROTECTED]::> remote
>>>         <rapport.mysurvey.com:unknown:208.46.47.130
>>>         <http://208.46.47.130>> rcpt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>         <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> :
>>>         found existing recipient
>>>         04-22 17:21:34 simscan:[12162]:CLEAN
>>>         (-6.20/99.00):20.2626s:April Edition of
>>>         MySurvey.com Opinion
>>>         Matters:208.46.47.130:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>         <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>         04-22 17:21:34 tcpserver: end 12162 status 0
>>>
>>>
>>>         After receiving the entire message, I see this portion that
>>>         was received
>>>         after the part logged by spamdyke:
>>>         <IMG
>>>         
>>> SRC="https://www.mysurvey.com/gems/gems_open_tracking.cfm?indid=14072172&cmpid=1105&r=1720290&rundate=22-APR-2008+11%3a52%3a55&z=67129618CF0844A786F0E0A6C20C49CD
>>>         
>>> <https://www.mysurvey.com/gems/gems_open_tracking.cfm?indid=14072172&cmpid=1105&r=1720290&rundate=22-APR-2008+11%3a52%3a55&z=67129618CF0844A786F0E0A6C20C49CD>"border="0"
>>>         width="1" height="1">
>>>
>>>         ------=_Layout_Part_DC7E1BB5_1105_4DB3_BAE3_2A6208EB099A--
>>>
>>>
>>>         Any idea why this would timeout (consistently, like
>>>         clockwork) with
>>>         spamdyke, but not without it? This message timed out all day
>>>         long with
>>>         spamdyke, but was received successfully on the first attempt
>>>         without
>>>         spamdyke. Did spamdyke somehow choke on the last bit?
>>>
>>>         FWIW, it appears that the entire email was a bit hosed, as
>>>         the html did not
>>>         render properly in the client view (mac mail) once the entire
>>>         message was
>>>         received.
>>>
>>>         --
>>>         -Eric 'shubes'
>>>         _______________________________________________
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>>>         spamdyke-users@spamdyke.org <mailto:spamdyke-users@spamdyke.org>
>>>         http://www.spamdyke.org/mailman/listinfo/spamdyke-users
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Paulo Henrique Fonseca
>>>     [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>
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