There are many exception like this one and the thing that I always seem to catch is where an architect takes 10 exceptions and 9 of them allow 13R (903.3.1.2) but one will only reference 13 (903.3.1.1)for the trade. The architect wants the 13R and we have to inform him either go 13 or don't take that exception. What do I know, I'm not an architect or an engineer, I went to Joe's school of hard knocks.
Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.burtellfire.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Residential Trade-offs? I see said the blind man. Thanks. I'll look further. On 2/9/07, Joe Burtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2003 IBC > > This is one to name a few. > > 506.3. For Group R buildings equipped throughout with an approved automatic > sprinkler system in accordance with Section 903.3.1.2, the value specified > in Table 503 for maximum height is increased by 20 feet (6096 mm) and the > maximum number of stories is increased by one story, but shall not exceed > four stories or 60 feet (18 288 mm), respectively. > > Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS > Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.burtellfire.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 3:31 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Residential Trade-offs? > > Note change of topic. > > Joe, > > I thought there were no I Code trade-offs that allowed for 13R. I'd > love to be educated if you can expand on your comment. > > On 2/9/07, Joe Burtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It will depend on the exceptions the architect took for trade-offs. Some > of > > the trade-offs allow you to install per 13 or 13R, some only allow 13. Did > > he take any trade-offs? > > > > Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS > > Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.burtellfire.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George > Church > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Residential? > > > > > > We have a project in which the majority of the building is dorm rooms; > > 2nd flr (top) is all dorms, with a few more dorm rooms and a few > classrooms > > and offices on the first floor. Small basement is mechanical only. > > Entire building footprint is a whopping > > > > The classrooms are for the use of the students that reside in the dorm; > > Offices for faculty that teach there. > > > > Overall concept is suburban campus college has this building in the city > for > > students to study government and urban life. So the non-residential areas > > are incidental to the residential nature of the building. > > > > The Architect has deemed the building A3 for the first floor, R2 on 2nd > > floor. Naturally the one hour separation is at the first floor ceiling. > > > > If this sounds a little strange, at least it's not #13TR, elderly housing > > over tire storage:) This IS located in a locale where 13d tank/pumps feed > 3 > > story office buildings, with poly tanks located in restaurant storage > area, > > and CPVC in OH2. Sure, that will make the judge understand ? > > > > Anyway, would % of use and other uses being for the occupants make this > look > > #13R to any of you? > > > > George Church > > Rowe Sprinkler > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > at home.... > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
