That's a good question.  Why are the hangers only 6ft apart?  Just because 
you're supposed to hang at the panel points doesn't translate into having to 
hang from each joist.  Hang at the panel points but space the hangers in 
accordance with NFPA 13.  Hanging at every joist makes no sense.  When in doubt 
contact the joist mfgr and talk to one of their engineers, NOT the A/E's 
structural engineer, The MFGR's Engineer.  They can tell you what loading was 
designed into the truss/joists and where the appropriate points for attachment 
are located.

Don't confuse the size of angle iron for trapeze hangers per NFPA 13 with the 
size of the angle on the bottom chord of engineered joists.  It isn't the same 
thing and not relevant.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  

The hanger is required to support the 250 lbs plus the water filled pipe, but 
what it is attached to must also.  So if you have light steel construction you 
might have to span across more than one joist in order to distribute the weight 
of the pipe.  Again, a lot of different variables.  Ask questions and ask the 
right people and ask more than one person when answers aren't consistent.  Then 
make sure to document EVERYTHING.


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Canham
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 2:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Hanging branch lines from panel points

Isn't the hanger required to hold 250 pounds plus the weight of the pipe full 
of water?  Not just the 23 pounds?
Dave Canham

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Stone
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Hanging branch lines from panel points

We are installing a grid system in a super store and the general contractor is 
demanding that we hang all piping within 6" of a panel point of the web-type 
roof joist.  There is a detail showing sprinkler pipe to be installed in this 
location and a structural drawing showing the location of the main.  We 
naturally installed the main to meet these criteria.  The branch lines are run 
perpendicular to the joists so hangers for the branch lines are spaced at 6'-0" 
apart which is at every joist.  This means that there is a 23 lb load at each 
hanger.  Table 9.1.1.6.1(b) requires a 2 × 2 ×
1/8 angle iron and the joists have a 2 x 2 x 3/16 angle iron on top. 
   
  Has anyone else come across this requirement in the contract drawings and had 
it applied to all sprinkler pipe?
   
  We can use trapeze hangers to meet this demand by the GC but it will also 
raise the question in those of you who look up when you are in super stores, 
"Was this system installed by a licensed contractor?"
   
  Matthew Stone
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