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Subject: Re: Biodiesel mfg

Todd

They will need methanol for the process, you need to find out about methanol
tanks size as well.

Cheers
Jack



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Steve,

I thought this project was dead, but apparently not.

The basics: The building is 5100 sqft. There are 3-5000 gallon tanks 
of either glycerol or veg oil, with a plan for a fourth. I have no 
idea what size the process tanks area, but there are two parallel 
production lines. There is no data on outside storage, but there has 
to be some.

The specifier (I'm not using Engineer, because there is no evidence 
of engineer involvement) called for a 0.40 density over the whole 
building with 100 sqft sprinklers (even though he drew sprinklers at 144
sqft)

To me, it sounds like they need some serious engineering in order to 
get this right. I'm not sure how far I want to get into it until 
someone "shows me the money"

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Have a good weekend.

Todd


At 05:44 PM 6/14/2007, you wrote:
>Todd,
>
>Yes, I just finished a biodiesel facility.  A straight EH2 approach doesn't
>really cut it for the indoor storage of some of those liquids.  It depends
a
>lot on what sizes and arrangements of tanks you will have, where the
>methanol is, whether the process is indoors or outside, etc.  Basically,
the
>biodiesel itself and raw oils such as cottonseed, palm, and corn oils are
>class 3B liquids typically, but the methanol and sodium methoxide are the
>nasty ones (class 1B).  Additionally, there is a point in the process
>typically where the mixing has already occurred but enough free methanol
can
>still be present in the mixture to classify the entire vessel contents as
>class 1B.  We used a closed head foam system indoors and an open head
deluge
>system over a separate methanol storage area.  I highly recommend foam for
>this application versus just water at a high density as you initially
>mentioned.  Feel free to give me a call or email if you would like to
>discuss it in more detail.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
>Fire Protection Engineer
>Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
>216 Seagate Avenue Unit B
>Neptune Beach, FL 32266
>904-652-4200 Phone
>904-212-0868 Fax
>
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>Subject: Biodiesel mfg
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>I have been asked to look at some criteria for a small (2500 sqft)
>biodiesel processing facility. Someone (I'm not sure who) defined
>this as a Class !B flammable liquid and called for a 0.40 gpm/sqft
>density over the entire building area. While I'm not necessarily
>challenging this, I cannot find anything to verify it. NFPA 13 and 30
>seem to focus more on storage than processing. Has anyone else run
>into this yet?
>
>Todd G. Williams, PE
>Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>Stonington, Connecticut
>860-535-2080
>www.fpdc.com
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